Delay of Game???

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Disagree. When he slapped the ball, it showed the ball was at his disposal, and therefore the ball became live at that point. He did not prevent it from becoming live, so there are no grounds for a T. You start your 5 count then stop the clock at the count of five and give the ball to the other team to inbound.

It's our judgment when the ball is at the disposal of the thrower. He slaps it into the corner, I'm not calling the T; I'll probably just start counting (but I might stop the clock and administer the endline throwin). He bats it into the upper row of bleachers at half court, I might go with the T. The option is there.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He slaps it into the corner, I'm not calling the T; I'll probably just start counting (but I might stop the clock and administer the endline throwin).

Under what rule?

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's our judgment when the ball is at the disposal of the thrower. He slaps it into the corner, I'm not calling the T; I'll probably just start counting (but I might stop the clock and administer the endline throwin). He bats it into the upper row of bleachers at half court, I might go with the T. The option is there.

While I agree with your distinction of when you would tech him and when you wouldn't, I think Mark's point is valid as well...if in the first example you are saying that upon the slapping the ball is at the throwers disposal (which I agree with) and you are starting the count, how can the same action (slap) be considered delaying making the ball live just b/c the slap sends the ball into the stands? In reality you are teching him for unsporting conduct in your second example aren't you?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Under what rule?

The same rule that allows you to stop the clock and administer when it accidentally gets kicked away during normal action.

[Adam]

If he slaps the ball while still in bounds, you wouldn't have started your count yet anyway (at least not quite). The ball isn't live yet.

[Ignats75]

How about interpreting that he tried to slap it to a teammate but just did a poor job and then blow the whistle for a throw in violation? After all, its a judgement call.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The same rule that allows you to stop the clock and administer when it accidentally gets kicked away during normal action.

So whenever there's a slapped ball during play you blow the whistle and call a kicked ball?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If he slaps the ball while still in bounds, you wouldn't have started your count yet anyway (at least not quite). The ball isn't live yet.

So, if after a basket, a player from the team who is about to inbound grabs the ball while standing inbounds and just holds it, you don't start your count and you consider the ball not to be at his disposal and therefore not live?

If he can slap it, he can grab it and take it OOB and inbound.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

So whenever there's a slapped ball during play you blow the whistle and call a kicked ball?

Yeah, Mark, that's a valid way to interpret my position.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

So, if after a basket, a player from the team who is about to inbound grabs the ball while standing inbounds and just holds it, you don't start your count and you consider the ball not to be at his disposal and therefore not live?

If he can slap it, he can grab it and take it OOB and inbound.

Again, but this time I'll leave out the sarcasm, this is not what I said nor can it be logically inferred from what I said. There is a time lapse from when the player initially grabs the ball inbounds to when the count will start.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

How about interpreting that he tried to slap it to a teammate but just did a poor job and then blow the whistle for a throw in violation? After all, its a judgement call.

If he was out of bounds when he did it, you could go with this. However, I'm pretty sure his intent was clear in the OP, so your options are open.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If he was out of bounds when he did it, you could go with this. However, I'm pretty sure his intent was clear in the OP, so your options are open.

We do have the case play that declares an illegal throwin even when the "throw" occur from a spot inbounds. I could go with either...an illegal throwin or letting the count go to 5. Depends on the specifics of where and how it all happened.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The same rule that allows you to stop the clock and administer when it accidentally gets kicked away during normal action.

NFHS rule 5-8-2(c)--"Time-out occurs asnd the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official stops play because of an unusual delay in geting a dead ball live."

Judgement call.

You're welcome.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Under what rule?

5-8-2c

[Kelvin green]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'll probably just start counting (but I might stop the clock and administer the endline throwin). He bats it into the upper row of bleachers at half court, I might go with the T. The option is there.

Did nt you just give him an advantage by slapping the ball? Once you recoginize the slap time has run off the clock, now you bring it back for a "proper throw-in" and give the team another 5 second count....

He bats the ball into the upper row of the bleachers at halfs court, the ball likely came in, if it didnt he did not directly throw it in... Somehow ithappens without another violation the defensive team will have the ball with three seconds left ...