Delay of Game???

[iref4him]

A JV official asked me if he handled this situation correctly. Blue team is ahead by 3 points. Red team just makes a lay up and there is about 8 seconds left in the game. Blue 32 slaps the ball away from everybody after the gaol has was made into the corner of the gym. The clock continues to run. It gets down 5 seconds and he calls a delay of game violation against the Blue team, the team since the rule does not state who interferes after the made basket.

I told him I would have let the count started at 8 seconds. Call the 5 second violation and give the ball back to Red. So long as they got the ball away within the 5 second count, then no violation.

Any thoughts???

[mbyron]

I agree with what you told him.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by iref4him

A JV official asked me if he handled this situation correctly. Blue team is ahead by 3 points. Red team just makes a lay up and there is about 8 seconds left in the game. Blue 32 slaps the ball away from everybody after the gaol has was made into the corner of the gym. The clock continues to run. It gets down 5 seconds and he calls a delay of game violation against the Blue team, the team since the rule does not state who interferes after the made basket.

I told him I would have let the count started at 8 seconds. Call the 5 second violation and give the ball back to Red. So long as they got the ball away within the 5 second count, then no violation.

Any thoughts???

What about a T? Just curious if NF tradition allows for it. I'm sure that player would never do the same thing.

In FIBA the clock stops after every made basket in the last two minutes (fourth quarter or overtimes), so this behavior would be (almost) irrelevant.

Ciao

Originally Posted by eg-italy

What about a T?

That's what I was thinking, why should the team that is up by 1 be allowed to slap the ball into the corner with 8 seconds left?
Does sound unsporting... no faith in the press break or FTers

[deecee]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

What about a T? Just curious if NF tradition allows for it. I'm sure that player would never do the same thing.

In FIBA the clock stops after every made basket in the last two minutes (fourth quarter or overtimes), so this behavior would be (almost) irrelevant.

Ciao

T -- HERE no way -- start the 5 count.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

What about a T? Just curious if NF tradition allows for it. I'm sure that player would never do the same thing.

In FIBA the clock stops after every made basket in the last two minutes (fourth quarter or overtimes), so this behavior would be (almost) irrelevant.

Ciao

Why a T? Think about the INTENT of the delay rule. If the defense knocks the ball away, they are delaying the offense from inbounding promptly. If the offense knocks it away, they are only hurting their own team. Just start the count.

Originally Posted by zebraman

Why a T? Think about the INTENT of the delay rule. If the defense knocks the ball away, they are delaying the offense from inbounding promptly. If the offense knocks it away, they are only hurting their own team. Just start the count.

So the team that's down by 1 (defense) can't knock it away to attempt to stop the clock but the wininng throw-in team can do so without penalty?

So would you start your count as soon as the ball is slapped away or when they go gather it & the time is just about out?

I don't see how it "hurts" them, they are trying to get the 1 point win without having to inbound the ball... it's only hurting the losing team IMO.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

So the team that's down by 1 (defense) can't knock it away to attempt to stop the clock but the wininng throw-in team can do so without penalty?

So would you start your count as soon as the ball is slapped away or when they go gather it & the time is just about out?

I don't see how it "hurts" them, they are trying to get the 1 point win without having to inbound the ball... it's only hurting the losing team IMO.

It has nothing to do with who is ahead or behind. It has to do with who is on offense or defense. The offense has 5 seconds to inbound once the ball is at their disposal. If they want to slap it away or hold it, I don't care either way. It changes nothing. I'm starting my count as soon as it's available to them. Whether they stand there and hold it or slap it to the corner, the violation will occur in 5 seconds.

Originally Posted by zebraman

I'm starting my count as soon as it's available to them. Whether they stand there and hold it or slap it to the corner, the violation will occur in 5 seconds.

Okay I can dig that! As long as we start the count on the slap away, then the defense isn't put at a disadvantage. The offense is entitled to those 5 seconds (tweet) violation, defenses ball with 3 on the clock under their goal. Now I feel like we provided both teams with a fair crack at it.

Thanks!

[Adam]

Personally, I don't mind the way the JV guy dealt with it. I wouldn't have gone the DOG route, because this is a defensive violation by rule, not offensive.

You have the option of a T (preventing the ball from being made live) by rule, but I'd probably avoid that as well.

Stop the clock and administer the throwin.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Stop the clock and administer the throwin.

After the 5 second violation or on the slap?

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You have the option of a T (preventing the ball from being made live) by rule, but I'd probably avoid that as well.

That's the nuclear option. The player would have to throw the ball into the stands or way down the court to earn this, I think.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You have the option of a T (preventing the ball from being made live) by rule

Disagree. When he slapped the ball, it showed the ball was at his disposal, and therefore the ball became live at that point. He did not prevent it from becoming live, so there are no grounds for a T. You start your 5 count then stop the clock at the count of five and give the ball to the other team to inbound.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

After the 5 second violation or on the slap?

The slap.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mbyron

That's the nuclear option. The player would have to throw the ball into the stands or way down the court to earn this, I think.

Agreed.