Triping Over Players on Floor...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jhc2010

A1 trips and falls over B1 who was on the floor after diving for a loose ball.

Is this a foul on B1? Is it always called this way? What if A1 sees an opponent on the floor and intentionally falls over them?

In general, this is a foul on B1 in college, but not in FED (B1 is allowed to be lying on the floor, as long as the rest of the act of getting there was legal).

In your last example, I'd either have nothing or a foul on A1.

[mdray]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

In general, this is a foul on B1 in college, but not in FED (B1 is allowed to be lying on the floor, as long as the rest of the act of getting there was legal).

I had this situation in a high school varsity game: A1 grabs a rebound at B's basket. B1 falls to the floor behind A1. A1 does not see B1 on the floor.
As A1 begins to turn to head up the court, A1 stumbles on B1 and falls to the floor over B1, maintaining player control. no call? travel? foul on B1?

to me, the contact that occurred was the result of B1 not being in a legal guarding position, so I called a foul on B1.....was I wrong?

[jeffpea]

Originally Posted by mdray

I had this situation in a high school varsity game: A1 grabs a rebound at B's basket. B1 falls to the floor behind A1. A1 does not see B1 on the floor.
As A1 begins to turn to head up the court, A1 stumbles on B1 and falls to the floor over B1, maintaining player control. no call? travel? foul on B1?

to me, the contact that occurred was the result of B1 not being in a legal guarding position, so I called a foul on B1.....was I wrong?

good call, foul on B1. i wish more officials would make that call.....

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mdray

I had this situation in a high school varsity game: A1 grabs a rebound at B's basket. B1 falls to the floor behind A1. A1 does not see B1 on the floor.
As A1 begins to turn to head up the court, A1 stumbles on B1 and falls to the floor over B1, maintaining player control. no call? travel? foul on B1?

to me, the contact that occurred was the result of B1 not being in a legal guarding position, so I called a foul on B1.....was I wrong?

Was B1 moving when contact occurred? If not, why was LGP an issue?

[slow whistle]

[QUOTE=mdray;569375]I had this situation in a high school varsity game: A1 grabs a rebound at B's basket. B1 falls to the floor behind A1. A1 does not see B1 on the floor.
As A1 begins to turn to head up the court, A1 stumbles on B1 and falls to the floor over B1, maintaining player control. no call? travel? foul on B1?

to me, the contact that occurred was the result of B1 not being in a legal guarding position, so I called a foul on B1.....was I wrong?[/QUOTE

It doesn't sound like B1 was guarding anyone in your example, why is LGP relevant?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

It doesn't sound like B1 was guarding anyonemoving in your example, why is LGP relevant?

Fixed it.

[slow whistle]

Agree with your statement, but how is mine incorrect? If you are just standing (or in this case lying) somewhere and not guarding anybody then how is LGP relevant?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by slow whistle

Agree with your statement, but how is mine incorrect? If you are just standing (or in this case lying) somewhere and not guarding anybody then how is LGP relevant?

It's not really, but the question is really moot, I think. Maybe he was guarding him (trying to get the ball, perhaps), maybe he wasn't. That's not the key; the key is whether he was moving.

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's not really, but the question is really moot, I think. Maybe he was guarding him (trying to get the ball, perhaps), maybe he wasn't. That's not the key; the key is whether he was moving.

OK perhaps I should clarify then b/c I assumed he wasn't trying to guard him. If he is just laying there not trying to guard him then LGP is irrelevant b/c he isn't trying to guard him. If he is laying there trying to guard him then LGP is irrlevant b/c he isn't moving. In any event LGP is irrelevant. Better?

[AKOFL]

A1 rebounds the ball and takes off heading for his basket. B3 is standing at the free-throw line with his back to the play. A1 runs into B3 displacing him. What do you have? Now say B3 was laying on the floor when A1 trips over him. What do you have now? Is B3 responsible for contact in either of these sitchs?

[slow whistle]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

A1 rebounds the ball and takes off heading for his basket. B3 is standing at the free-throw line with his back to the play. A1 runs into B3 displacing him. What do you have? Now say B3 was laying on the floor when A1 trips over him. What do you have now? Is B3 responsible for contact in either of these sitchs?

PC in first example, probably nothing in second...if he just trips on him that probably isn't enough contact for a foul and there is no advantage gained....if he goes off the top rope and lands on him then I probably have something...