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Old Wed Jan 14, 2009, 02:20pm
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5-6-2 Exception 3 is what you're looking for - "The quarter or extra period ends when the free throw(s) and all related activity have been completed." So, in the OP, since the "dirty look" and subsequent T occurred before the FT's for the shooting foul had been completed, even though the T happened after the horn, it is still considered part of the current quarter.

In Superman's,...er,...Clark Kent's situation, since the look happened after the horn, and there was no other activity to be completed to end the quarter, the FT's and the throw-in for the T will be at the start of the 4th quarter.
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Old Wed Jan 14, 2009, 02:47pm
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5-6-2 Exception 3 is what you're looking for - "The quarter or extra period ends when the free throw(s) and all related activity have been completed." So, in the OP, since the "dirty look" and subsequent T occurred before the FT's for the shooting foul had been completed, even though the T happened after the horn, it is still considered part of the current quarter.

In Superman's,...er,...Clark Kent's situation, since the look happened after the horn, and there was no other activity to be completed to end the quarter, the FT's and the throw-in for the T will be at the start of the 4th quarter.
Thought the shooter was fouled. Now we have free throws before the period ends.
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Old Wed Jan 14, 2009, 03:01pm
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Thought the shooter was fouled. Now we have free throws before the period ends.
In the OP, that is what happened. In CK's situation, he changed it to a non-shooting foul. That is why the enforcement changes - in the OP, the quarter had not ended because the 3 FT's for the shooting foul had not been completed. In CK's example, the quarter was complete (because there were no FT's to shoot), therefore the T is enforced at the start of the 4th quarter.
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Old Wed Jan 14, 2009, 04:50pm
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In the OP, that is what happened. In CK's situation, he changed it to a non-shooting foul. That is why the enforcement changes - in the OP, the quarter had not ended because the 3 FT's for the shooting foul had not been completed. In CK's example, the quarter was complete (because there were no FT's to shoot), therefore the T is enforced at the start of the 4th quarter.
You are right. Sorry for the confusion. Got to watch more closely for the twists and turns the initial sit takes as it bounces off such great minds.

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Well, the look, about her 5th or 6th such "look", one each for the three fouls she got prior to this action, plus atleast 2 or 3 more on travel calls, and things that didn't go her way. My partner after stated, "She sure had the T coming" One very aggressive young lady who needs to control some emotion.

I was thinking the FT's were part of the 3rd Qtr. The teams were ready to play after the FT's but I had the timer put 60 seconds on the clock(normal time after the end of the period). I needed a break and felt the teams needed it also. Plus I wanted a little time to think about my decision, though I was the U, I wanted to think if we should go with AP or go with the actions that would normally follow a T.
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Old Wed Jan 14, 2009, 06:29pm
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The teams were ready to play after the FT's but I had the timer put 60 seconds on the clock(normal time after the end of the period).
Did you keep the players on the floor above the 3pt line, free throw line extended during the free throws or did they go to their bench?
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In Superman's,...er,...Clark Kent's situation,
Way to go, genius, you just exposed his secret identity. Next thing you're going to tell us Dan_ref is really The Oracle.
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Way to go, genius, you just exposed his secret identity. Next thing you're going to tell us Dan_ref is really The Oracle.
Damn. I thought no one really reads this stuff.

But I know I'll never give away the secret that Chuck Elias and Jurassic Referee are really the same. But what a perfect cover - one claims they're a Bosox fan, the other claims they're a Yankee fan. Brilliant!
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Damn. I thought no one really reads this stuff.

But I know I'll never give away the secret that Chuck Elias and Jurassic Referee are really the same. But what a perfect cover - one claims they're a Bosox fan, the other claims they're a Yankee fan. Brilliant!
Wow, talk about cognitive dissonance.
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Wow, talk about cognitive dissonance.
You mean that buzzing sound I hear in my head?
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In Superman's,...er,...Clark Kent's situation, since the look happened after the horn, and there was no other activity to be completed to end the quarter, the FT's and the throw-in for the T will be at the start of the 4th quarter.
It is also an Indirect Technical charged to the Head Coach.
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Why an indirect to the Coach?
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They were at their bench in the area where they are aloud to be
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They were at their bench in the area where they are aloud to be
The players need to remain on the court during these free throws. The quarter has not ended and there must still be 10 players on the court. What if A1 cusses at you from the bench area but you were not sure if he/she was in the game. You don't know if you have to charge the Head Coach with an indirect technical.

8-1-3...If the ball is to become dead when the last free throw for a specific penalty is not successful, players shall not occupy any spaces along the free throw lane.

8-1-5...Any player, other than the free thrower, who does not occupy a marked lane space must be behind the free-throw line extended and behind the three-point line.
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Well then there can be indirect because they have not become bench personnel as the quarter had not ended until the last FT of the Tech.

As far as them(all 10) being on the court, well I was administering the T's, it would be up to my partner take care of that, but if the roles are reversed, I would let then even sit at the bench or group/huddle around the coach. Only thing I wouldn't let happen is them diconcert the FT shooter, but as we are in the 3rd Qtr, FT shooter was shooting directly in front of his own bench, little chance of disconcerting there.
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