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agr8zebra Wed Jan 14, 2009 01:13pm

Did I do this right? T at the end of 3rd Q
 
Last second shot to end the 3rd Q. Shooter fouled by #H13, #H33 also in the area on the attempted block. #H33 who had been whining all night after ever call in her direction, gave me the look, I T her up. Time has expired.

We shot Three FT's for the attempted 3, then Two for the T. (Team V only make 1 of 5, end up losing by 2)

We start the 4th with the AP given to H, not V.

Did I do this right?

bob jenkins Wed Jan 14, 2009 01:17pm

Yes -- the T was in the 3Q so the "throw-in" part of the penalty does not carry over.

Scratch85 Wed Jan 14, 2009 01:35pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 568435)
Yes -- the T was in the 3Q so the "throw-in" part of the penalty does not carry over.


In a sitch like this, when does the 3rd quarter end? In the OP, it looks like the try was over, the horn sounded and the "look" (and T) came after that. Wouldn't this fit into 5-6 Exc4? I am using an old book, I hope the rule ref is correct.

OHBBREF Wed Jan 14, 2009 01:40pm

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Originally Posted by agr8zebra (Post 568432)
gave me the look, I T her up.

the enforcement was correct -

I have to worry about a T for a "look" -
I guess you HTBT.

Ch1town Wed Jan 14, 2009 01:47pm

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Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 568448)
In a sitch like this, when does the 3rd quarter end? In the OP, it looks like the try was over, the horn sounded and the "look" (and T) came after that. Wouldn't this fit into 5-6 Exc4? I am using an old book, I hope the rule ref is correct.

Keep hope alive! j/k :D

We have FTs for the foul on the attempted block so we shoot the T as well.


Quote:

Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 568451)
I have to worry about a T for a "look" -
I guess you HTBT.

My thoughts as well, if I gave a T for every dirty look...

Clark Kent Wed Jan 14, 2009 02:05pm

so....
 
So had it just been common foul or the ball going out of bounds and the girl gives you a look (and you give her a T) then we administer the FTs at the start of the fourth (5-6 ex 4) and the ball awarded to the opposition of the girl who had the T?

Is that right or am I getting confused?

Scratch85 Wed Jan 14, 2009 02:16pm

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Originally Posted by Clark Kent (Post 568474)
So had it just been common foul or the ball going out of bounds and the girl gives you a look (and you give her a T) then we administer the FTs at the start of the fourth (5-6 ex 4) and the ball awarded to the opposition of the girl who had the T?

Is that right or am I getting confused?

That is the way I am understanding it. In your sitch, the T occured after all "related activities" of the 3rd quarter were completed.

M&M Guy Wed Jan 14, 2009 02:20pm

5-6-2 Exception 3 is what you're looking for - "The quarter or extra period ends when the free throw(s) and all related activity have been completed." So, in the OP, since the "dirty look" and subsequent T occurred before the FT's for the shooting foul had been completed, even though the T happened after the horn, it is still considered part of the current quarter.

In Superman's,...er,...Clark Kent's situation, since the look happened after the horn, and there was no other activity to be completed to end the quarter, the FT's and the throw-in for the T will be at the start of the 4th quarter.

AKOFL Wed Jan 14, 2009 02:47pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 568485)
5-6-2 Exception 3 is what you're looking for - "The quarter or extra period ends when the free throw(s) and all related activity have been completed." So, in the OP, since the "dirty look" and subsequent T occurred before the FT's for the shooting foul had been completed, even though the T happened after the horn, it is still considered part of the current quarter.

In Superman's,...er,...Clark Kent's situation, since the look happened after the horn, and there was no other activity to be completed to end the quarter, the FT's and the throw-in for the T will be at the start of the 4th quarter.

Thought the shooter was fouled. Now we have free throws before the period ends.

agr8zebra Wed Jan 14, 2009 02:52pm

The Look
 
Well, the look, about her 5th or 6th such "look", one each for the three fouls she got prior to this action, plus atleast 2 or 3 more on travel calls, and things that didn't go her way. My partner after stated, "She sure had the T coming" One very aggressive young lady who needs to control some emotion.

I was thinking the FT's were part of the 3rd Qtr. The teams were ready to play after the FT's but I had the timer put 60 seconds on the clock(normal time after the end of the period). I needed a break and felt the teams needed it also. Plus I wanted a little time to think about my decision, though I was the U, I wanted to think if we should go with AP or go with the actions that would normally follow a T.

M&M Guy Wed Jan 14, 2009 03:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 568498)
Thought the shooter was fouled. Now we have free throws before the period ends.

In the OP, that is what happened. In CK's situation, he changed it to a non-shooting foul. That is why the enforcement changes - in the OP, the quarter had not ended because the 3 FT's for the shooting foul had not been completed. In CK's example, the quarter was complete (because there were no FT's to shoot), therefore the T is enforced at the start of the 4th quarter.

Adam Wed Jan 14, 2009 03:45pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 568485)
In Superman's,...er,...Clark Kent's situation,

Way to go, genius, you just exposed his secret identity. Next thing you're going to tell us Dan_ref is really The Oracle.

M&M Guy Wed Jan 14, 2009 03:55pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 568541)
Way to go, genius, you just exposed his secret identity. Next thing you're going to tell us Dan_ref is really The Oracle.

Damn. I thought no one really reads this stuff.

But I know I'll never give away the secret that Chuck Elias and Jurassic Referee are really the same. But what a perfect cover - one claims they're a Bosox fan, the other claims they're a Yankee fan. Brilliant!

Adam Wed Jan 14, 2009 04:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 568558)
Damn. I thought no one really reads this stuff.

But I know I'll never give away the secret that Chuck Elias and Jurassic Referee are really the same. But what a perfect cover - one claims they're a Bosox fan, the other claims they're a Yankee fan. Brilliant!

Wow, talk about cognitive dissonance.

M&M Guy Wed Jan 14, 2009 04:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 568578)
Wow, talk about cognitive dissonance.

You mean that buzzing sound I hear in my head?


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