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Old Mon Jan 12, 2009, 09:21pm
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4.44.3 sit C

4.44.3 Situation C: A1 receives a pass and establishes the right foot as the pivot. While faking a pass or try, A1 lifts the pivot foot and stands on the left foot alone while undecided as to what to do. Has A1 traveled? RULING: No. Traveling would occur only if A1 begins a dribble or returns the pivot foot to the floor. While in this position A1 may pass, try for goal or call a time-out.

What if A1 hops on the left foot?

I had a play where girl is trying to navigate in heavy traffic. She jumps off of right foot (pivot), lands on left foot and then hops on that left foot. I called a traveling violation because I saw a player hopping on one foot, but the more I have thought about it, I can't figure how to justify my call by rule. The pivot foot did not return to the floor -- at least, not before I blew my whistle!

Could the player just hop down the court?
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Old Mon Jan 12, 2009, 09:51pm
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4.44.3 Situation C: A1 receives a pass and establishes the right foot as the pivot. While faking a pass or try, A1 lifts the pivot foot and stands on the left foot alone while undecided as to what to do. Has A1 traveled? RULING: No. Traveling would occur only if A1 begins a dribble or returns the pivot foot to the floor. While in this position A1 may pass, try for goal or call a time-out.

What if A1 hops on the left foot?

I had a play where girl is trying to navigate in heavy traffic. She jumps off of right foot (pivot), lands on left foot and then hops on that left foot. I called a traveling violation because I saw a player hopping on one foot, but the more I have thought about it, I can't figure how to justify my call by rule. The pivot foot did not return to the floor -- at least, not before I blew my whistle!

Could the player just hop down the court?

A1 has committed traveling. See the definition of traveling in NFHS Rule 4, NCAA Rule 4, and FIBA Rule 5.

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4-44-3 . . . After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
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4-44-3 . . . After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
Unless it's a crab dribble.
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Unless it's a crab dribble.

You better say that with a



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4.44.3 Situation C: A1 receives a pass and establishes the right foot as the pivot. While faking a pass or try, A1 lifts the pivot foot and stands on the left foot alone while undecided as to what to do. Has A1 traveled? RULING: No. Traveling would occur only if A1 begins a dribble or returns the pivot foot to the floor. While in this position A1 may pass, try for goal or call a time-out.

What if A1 hops on the left foot?

I had a play where girl is trying to navigate in heavy traffic. She jumps off of right foot (pivot), lands on left foot and then hops on that left foot. I called a traveling violation because I saw a player hopping on one foot, but the more I have thought about it, I can't figure how to justify my call by rule. The pivot foot did not return to the floor -- at least, not before I blew my whistle!

Could the player just hop down the court?
What the other guys said. Once you are airborne, it is a violation to return to the floor with a live ball.
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Once you are airborne, it is a violation to return to the floor with a live ball.
That's what we used to call "ups & downs" on the playground.
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What the other guys said. Once you are airborne, it is a violation to return to the floor with a live ball.
That's not a true statement.
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Hartsy -- I know what you mean but your statement as written is incorrect.
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Old Tue Jan 13, 2009, 05:23pm
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Once you are airborne, it is a violation to return to the floor with a live ball........
........after establishing a pivot foot.
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........after establishing a pivot foot.
Pivot foot isn't necessary here for a travel.
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Pivot foot isn't necessary here for a travel.
Snaqs is right.
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Instances in which a travel is called when no pivot foot has been established.

4-44-2a3
4-44-2b2


Both require player to land with both feet simultaneously. If did not then travel.

If he did land simultaneously then 4-44-4a and b apply.

Also no pivot foot required to be established to commit a travel per 4-44-5a and b
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