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referee99 Mon Jan 12, 2009 09:21pm
4.44.3 sit C
 
4.44.3 Situation C: A1 receives a pass and establishes the right foot as the pivot. While faking a pass or try, A1 lifts the pivot foot and stands on the left foot alone while undecided as to what to do. Has A1 traveled? RULING: No. Traveling would occur only if A1 begins a dribble or returns the pivot foot to the floor. While in this position A1 may pass, try for goal or call a time-out.

What if A1 hops on the left foot?

I had a play where girl is trying to navigate in heavy traffic. She jumps off of right foot (pivot), lands on left foot and then hops on that left foot. I called a traveling violation because I saw a player hopping on one foot, but the more I have thought about it, I can't figure how to justify my call by rule. The pivot foot did not return to the floor -- at least, not before I blew my whistle!

Could the player just hop down the court?

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Jan 12, 2009 09:51pm
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Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 567842)
4.44.3 Situation C: A1 receives a pass and establishes the right foot as the pivot. While faking a pass or try, A1 lifts the pivot foot and stands on the left foot alone while undecided as to what to do. Has A1 traveled? RULING: No. Traveling would occur only if A1 begins a dribble or returns the pivot foot to the floor. While in this position A1 may pass, try for goal or call a time-out.

What if A1 hops on the left foot?

I had a play where girl is trying to navigate in heavy traffic. She jumps off of right foot (pivot), lands on left foot and then hops on that left foot. I called a traveling violation because I saw a player hopping on one foot, but the more I have thought about it, I can't figure how to justify my call by rule. The pivot foot did not return to the floor -- at least, not before I blew my whistle!

Could the player just hop down the court?

A1 has committed traveling. See the definition of traveling in NFHS Rule 4, NCAA Rule 4, and FIBA Rule 5.

MTD, Sr.

Nevadaref Mon Jan 12, 2009 09:55pm
4-44-3 . . . After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.

Adam Tue Jan 13, 2009 01:14pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 567852)
4-44-3 . . . After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
Unless it's a crab dribble.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Jan 13, 2009 03:38pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 568020)
Unless it's a crab dribble.

You better say that with a :)

:D

MTD, Sr.

Hartsy Tue Jan 13, 2009 03:55pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 567842)
4.44.3 Situation C: A1 receives a pass and establishes the right foot as the pivot. While faking a pass or try, A1 lifts the pivot foot and stands on the left foot alone while undecided as to what to do. Has A1 traveled? RULING: No. Traveling would occur only if A1 begins a dribble or returns the pivot foot to the floor. While in this position A1 may pass, try for goal or call a time-out.

What if A1 hops on the left foot?

I had a play where girl is trying to navigate in heavy traffic. She jumps off of right foot (pivot), lands on left foot and then hops on that left foot. I called a traveling violation because I saw a player hopping on one foot, but the more I have thought about it, I can't figure how to justify my call by rule. The pivot foot did not return to the floor -- at least, not before I blew my whistle!

Could the player just hop down the court?
What the other guys said. Once you are airborne, it is a violation to return to the floor with a live ball.

Ch1town Tue Jan 13, 2009 04:01pm
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Originally Posted by Hartsy (Post 568089)
Once you are airborne, it is a violation to return to the floor with a live ball.
That's what we used to call "ups & downs" on the playground.

Nevadaref Tue Jan 13, 2009 04:30pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartsy (Post 568089)
What the other guys said. Once you are airborne, it is a violation to return to the floor with a live ball.
That's not a true statement.

deecee Tue Jan 13, 2009 04:35pm
Hartsy -- I know what you mean but your statement as written is incorrect.

just another ref Tue Jan 13, 2009 05:23pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hartsy (Post 568089)
Once you are airborne, it is a violation to return to the floor with a live ball........
........after establishing a pivot foot.

Adam Tue Jan 13, 2009 05:46pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 568146)
........after establishing a pivot foot.
Pivot foot isn't necessary here for a travel.

Nevadaref Tue Jan 13, 2009 06:32pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 568154)
Pivot foot isn't necessary here for a travel.
Snaqs is right. ;)

Daryl H. Long Tue Jan 13, 2009 09:11pm
Instances in which a travel is called when no pivot foot has been established.

4-44-2a3
4-44-2b2

Both require player to land with both feet simultaneously. If did not then travel.

If he did land simultaneously then 4-44-4a and b apply.

Also no pivot foot required to be established to commit a travel per 4-44-5a and b


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