what is the call

[beachbum]

Mid school Jv game. I'm the lead. Team B makes a basket, so i step to the right side of the court on the side line in anticipation of an inbounds throw in. Player A picks up the ball, but as he throws it looses some control (in my estimation), and the ball goes to the right sideline about 6 feet from the baseline, and out of bounds. The ball passes about 2 feet from me. No one touches the ball as there isn't a player within 6 feet of the throw in.

I called it "B" ball at the spot of the throw in.

My partner said he would never have made that call in a Mid JV game, he would have retreived the ball and let them start over.

What do you guys think?? should I have overlooked it???

Sounds like one of those HTBT plays.

[chartrusepengui]

from what I am reading, the player picked up the ball - had possessiona and control - then lost control on the throw-in. I would have called the violation - throw-in to other team at original throw-in spot.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by beachbum

Mid school Jv game. I'm the lead. Team B makes a basket, so i step to the right side of the court on the side line in anticipation of an inbounds throw in. Player A picks up the ball, but as he throws it looses some control (in my estimation), and the ball goes to the right sideline about 6 feet from the baseline, and out of bounds. The ball passes about 2 feet from me. No one touches the ball as there isn't a player within 6 feet of the throw in.

I called it "B" ball at the spot of the throw in.

My partner said he would never have made that call in a Mid JV game, he would have retreived the ball and let them start over.

What do you guys think?? should I have overlooked it???

I sounds from your post that the player "released the ball directly onto the court." It also sounds like the ball did not "touch another player" before "going out of bounds untouched".

sounds to me like you made a great call.... if you called a 'throw-in violation'.

[ma_ref]

Yeah, probably had to be there. But based on what was described, if anybody on B is putting pressure on A in the backcourt, I'd call the violation. If no pressure, blow my whistle and/or retrieve the ball and give it back...

[chartrusepengui]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

Yeah, probably had to be there. But based on what was described, if anybody on B is putting pressure on A in the backcourt, I'd call the violation. If no pressure, blow my whistle and/or retrieve the ball and give it back...

so, if not being pressured player A travels, do you ignore that as well?

[mbyron]

Players sometimes do dumb or clumsy things -- dumber and clumsier on average the younger they are. It's not in my job description to suspend the rules every time these things happen, as your partner seems to suggest.

That said, I had a play yesterday where two (MS) girls were back after a made basket, and neither of them went out of bounds to bring it in. I just whistled and restarted them out of bounds.

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

so, if not being pressured player A travels, do you ignore that as well?

Again, probably had to be there to see the level on play involved. If it's poor skill level, particularly amoung younger age leagues, I have ignored slight shuffles of the feet in the past. If A is getting blown out by 20 or 30+ points late in the game, I've ignored similar things as well. I've ignored the exact OP (with no BC pressure) because of a blowout as well. There's usually no way of ignoring the blatant stuff (kid takes 4 steps with the ball; or kid picks up his dribble, waits 2 or 3 seconds, and starts dribbling again), but we've all had these games from hell where the best thing to happen to the losing team is for the game to end. No need to rub salt in the wound...

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

so, if not being pressured player A travels, do you ignore that as well?

Depending on the time, score & the level of play (MS in this case not HS varsity) ignoring a thing or two is not a bad thing. It's a different animal!
What's marginal in NCAA is more than likely a foul/violation in HS & so on.

In the 4Q of a 27 - 3 MS game, the losing team won't be called for every infraction. 50/50 plays will probably go their way too.

Why add insult to injury?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by chartrusepengui

so, if not being pressured player A travels, do you ignore that as well?

Middle school? Maybe. Depends on how bad the travel is.