Player Control Foul

[jevaque]

to obtain you need to be set but you dont need to be set to maintain

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jevaque

to obtain you need to be set but you dont need to be set to maintain

Wrong. to obtain, both feet need to be on the floor at the same time while facing the opponent. Being "set" is not required, as a player may be moving and meet the requirements.

Also, if a player is not moving, LGP is irrelevant (thus he may draw a charge with his back to the offensive player.)

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Also, if a player is not moving, LGP is irrelevant (thus he may draw a charge with his back to the offensive player.)

If a player is moving, LGP can still be irrelevant. B1 jogging up the court.
Dribbler A1 runs up his back. PC foul

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If a player is moving, LGP can still be irrelevant. B1 jogging up the court.
Dribbler A1 runs up his back. PC foul

Good point.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If a player is moving, LGP can still be irrelevant. B1 jogging up the court.
Dribbler A1 runs up his back. PC foul

Wouldn't that be a Run "over the back" foul

[jdmara]

If the defender has established and maintained legal guarding position, it would be a player control foul.

-Josh

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdmara

If the defender has established and maintained legal guarding position, it would be a player control foul.

-Josh

As jar mentioned, if the defender is pedaling straight backward, I'm not convinced he needs to have established LGP.

[mbyron]

I think that a lot of officials still call a block on the grounds that they put the "burden of proof" on the defender: if he's not stock still, it's a block. It's just easier (but lazy) to call it that way. I see a lot of guys who call it that way.

I think that the perception is changing, though. Many folks still think that the defender has to be set, but they are also looking at who initiates the contact.

Over time, the following dialogue might seep into the coach/player/fan head: "He was moving!" -- "True, but he had LGP and your player initiated the contact."

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by mbyron

I think that a lot of officials still call a block on the grounds that they put the "burden of proof" on the defender: if he's not stock still, it's a block. It's just easier (but lazy) to call it that way. I see a lot of guys who call it that way.

Agree totally with this.

Blindingly obvious? The more experienced you are the more likely you are to call a player-control foul or team-control foul. When I do Rec or 7/8/MS games, I think sometimes I'm the only one who calls these......most have never even seen the team-control foul signal.

[Fritz]

Actually had a no call similar to this late in an 8th/Boys rec game last night. H was down 2 with 4 seconds to go after V had scored. They inbound and race up sideline, V coach screaming "Don't Foul!"

As A1 approached B1, defender turns his body and starts to get out of the way from A1 who clearly changes direction at that instance to take a step away from the basket and toward B1. Launches himself into the air and grazes B1 while firing away the off-balance LONG 3-pt try. Horn goes off after the shot is away, misses by a mile. I am T and on that same side of the court, but I read no-call and let the game end.

H Coach is screaming for a blocking call because defender wasn't set, I told him his player initiated what little contact there was.

Supervisor told me as I was leaving later that night that the coach wrote down on his officials' grading card that I was terrible and needed to read the rule book about legal guarding position (he actually used that phrase!) and what constitues a block.

........sigh.........