Player oob

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Legally obtained position on the floor
OOB is not addressed - so yes ignore unless it is intentional or flagrant.

Are you serious? B2 obtained his position legally by momentum. That's a given for the case play; otherwise you have a violation.

If B2 obtained his position legally, and gets knocked to the floor by what would be a common foul anywhere else on the floor, call the foul!

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Are you serious? B2 obtained his position legally by momentum. That's a given for the case play; otherwise you have a violation.

If B2 obtained his position legally, and gets knocked to the floor by what would be a common foul anywhere else on the floor, call the foul!

You can't obtain legal position OOB. It is not part of the playing court. The fact that the player ended up there via a legal method (momentum, etc) simply means there was no violation commited by the player, but still doesn't change the fact that they have no legal position on the playing court. So unless the contact is flagrant or intentional, I'm going with nothing if a player gets contacted OOB.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

You can't obtain legal position OOB. It is not part of the playing court.

Bull puckey. Where is the rule that says this? You can't find it.

You can't have LGP standing OOB, but that's it. This foul doesn't require LGP since B2 is not moving.

Show me the rule that says B2 isn't entitled to a position just because it's out of bounds.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by tjchamp

B2 is out of bounds under the basket (momentum or some other legal reason). At the same time, A1 has just finished a layup and has come to the ground, then runs into B2 out of bounds.

Where is the foul? That is incidental contact unless it is intentional or flagrant
the shooter came down and ran into another player who is not part of the play and the contact does not effect the play, if the player contacted is OOB. it did not prevent him from doing anything - s/he can not rebound the ball from OOB, and if the basket goes it is dead ball, so you are going to make a foul call - dead ball contact OOB - in this situation?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

Where is the foul? That is incidental contact unless it is intentional or flagrant
the shooter came down and ran into another player who is not part of the play and the contact does not effect the play, if the player contacted is OOB. it did not prevent him from doing anything - s/he can not rebound the ball from OOB, and if the basket goes it is dead ball, so you are going to make a foul call - dead ball contact OOB - in this situation?

Let's assume it's contact that is a foul if it happens anywhere else on the court. Let's assume that the contact knocked the player to the floor, preventing him/her from returning to the inbounds area. Let's assume the basket is missed.

It certainly does affect play. On what basis do you have incidental contact?

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Let's assume it's contact that is a foul if it happens anywhere else on the court. Let's assume that the contact knocked the player to the floor, preventing him/her from returning to the inbounds area. Let's assume the basket is missed.

It certainly does affect play. On what basis do you have incidental contact?

I was working from the OP and that was not involved, however I am still 99 out of a hundred times calling this incidental contact, unless it is excessive, Flagrant or intentional. becuase if the player is out OOB they are not a part of the play at that moment, because they are not on the floor.

So now you answer the question
Assume the basket goes in and the colission knocks B to the floor, it is a Dead ball and B cannot get the ball to inbound it, are you going to make the foul call with contact during a dead ball?

[Adam]

It was part of the OP, I just made it more specific.

Originally Posted by tjchamp

If B2 had been in bounds, no doubt you call a pushing foul.

If it's a foul you'd call with the player in bounds, it's a foul when he's out of bounds (assuming LGP isn't an issue)

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

I was working from the OP and that was not involved, however I am still 99 out of a hundred times calling this incidental contact, unless it is excessive, Flagrant or intentional. becuase if the player is out OOB they are not a part of the play at that moment, because they are not on the floor.

So now you answer the question
Assume the basket goes in and the colission knocks B to the floor, it is a Dead ball and B cannot get the ball to inbound it, are you going to make the foul call with contact during a dead ball?

It doesn't matter if B can get to the ball, it's incidental unless it's intentional or flagrant. Since the ball is dead, this is easy. The OP was very clear on asking about if the ball was still live.

Now, if the collision happened before the basket went in, I'd treat it like rebounding contact. If A3 knocks B2 to the floor in rebounding action prior to the ball going in, do you call it?

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Bull puckey. Where is the rule that says this? You can't find it.

You can't have LGP standing OOB, but that's it. This foul doesn't require LGP since B2 is not moving.

Show me the rule that says B2 isn't entitled to a position just because it's out of bounds.

Yeah, I think I was confusing things with LGP being an issue here, which it's not.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Bull puckey.

Not sure why, but I just got a cold chill. IT IS ALIVE

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Not sure why, but I just got a cold chill. IT IS ALIVE

I figured someone should offer a memorial every now and then.

I'd tell M&M to STFU, but I'm too busy laughing about a moving screen I read about.