calling it but dealing with the annoyances afterwards

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

Exactly my sentiments. If you start using advantage/disadavantage for violations, you logically end up ignoring a player who dribbles out of bounds in the backcourt without any pressure, because no disadvantage in that.

I hope you can use sufficient judgement to tell the difference between the OP and your example.

I have called exactly one 3 second violation this year. Its usually not even an issue< as Mark D said. With today's motion offenses, it just doesn't come into play as much as it used to.

[beachbum]

I always give one warning.. "get out of the lane 34". But if the player is moving across and takes alittle more than the 3 seconds, i ignore it. Camping is my key component.

I called it last week on a player that remained in the lane to set for a rebound. The more advanced high scholl teams run set offences so it is easy to tell what the players will do. The play wasn't around him, so there was no ADV/DVG,, but his ultimate goal was to have an advantage. I heard his coach yell at him to get out of the lane in approval of my call.
Usually by the time I realize I should be counting, it's been a second or two anyways. so they are getting a little break. it's suprising that coaches and fans believe that we just sit under the basket looking for 3 second violations.

AND with the 5 or 10 second count, I try to move my arm a little slower than a second per movement.

[Ignats75]

AND with the 5 or 10 second count, I try to move my arm a little slower than a second per movement.

Now this one I really do not like. The rules require 5 seconds (not 6 1/2) for an inbounds. It requires 10 seconds (not 13) to advance the ball into the front court. Why would you punish the defense by making it harder for them to force a turnover? We are supposed to be impartial. That is showing favoritism to the offense!!!!!

I guess I was one of those nasty in your face defenders when I was younger. I appreciate hustling defense. Thats why I try to calibrate my visible count when I am coming up court by synchronizing my arm to the clock. Thats why I try to never miss a closely guarded count.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Here's the deal with three seconds. If you call it strictly by the book every time someone so much as has a toe on the line, the only people you will make happy are the fans. You won't please the coaches, you won't please your assigner, and you won't be happy with your schedule of games.

At upper levels, it is expected to call it a little differently than "by the book."

Snaq's is right I worked with a young kid a week or so agoa and he had three seconds on the brain, he must have called 8 of them in the first quarter.
both the fans and the coaches quit asking for them then.
And everyone that he called was a three second call by the rules.
our conversation between quarters was, I am not saying you made the wrong calls, I a asking youdid those calls fit the game we had in front of us -
he called a couple more through out the game but they were much more in tune with the game.

[buckrog64]

This season, I haven't even had to say much to the players; maybe three times all season. "Get out of the lane." I don't use a color or number, as it's obvious to the players who needs to get out of the lane.

Not always so obvious when working jr-high girls b-ball, but I understand the point.....

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by beachbum

AND with the 5 or 10 second count, I try to move my arm a little slower than a second per movement.

Why? It's a five or 10 second count for a reason.

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Why? It's a five or 10 second count for a reason.

I fall on the side of trying to get my counts right. If I have a 10 second call at 10 seconds so be it. I don't give extra time..

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

I fall on the side of trying to get my counts right. If I have a 10 second call at 10 seconds so be it. I don't give extra time..

Agreed. But, it's better (imo) to be at 11 than to be at 9.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Agreed. But, it's better (imo) to be at 11 than to be at 9.

If my count is calibrated right, they should get about 10.5 seconds anyway. If I am visibly counting the inbounds pass with my right hand, that means I am chopping the clock with my left. I will then count the backcourt with my left hand. That will automatically give the offense approximately .5 second.

If I am administering the throw-in, I will not start my count until I back away from the thrower a step or two. That gives them about a .5 second too. Once I start my count, its 5 or 10 on the nose (or as close as I can get).

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Agreed. But, it's better to be at 11 than to be at 9.

Always listen to bob. Happy New Year.

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Agreed. But, it's better (imo) to be at 11 than to be at 9.

Not when the ball is deflected out of bounds and the shot clock shows 10+ seconds elapsed. Of course, you can always blame the shot clock timer for starting too early.

[beachbum]

When I said I try to be alittle slow, I didn't mean I'm trying to give 15 seconds....I just don't want to be at 9. Since officials can get pumped during a good game and really move their arm too fast, I make a consious effort to make sure I'm just a shade over.

[beachbum]

I know, maybe we can argue for a couple of days if the count should be exact.

What's a .5 of a second, give or take .25 anyways!!!!!!