Mind your own business?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Trail tossed the ball to the lead, then proceeded to step into the huddle and engage in a spirited discussion with the coach, gesturing emphatically to the coaches box.

Let me guess, the trail came to the game dressed in his uniform?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Let me guess, the trail came to the game dressed in his uniform?

Didn't actually see him come in, but I feel certain that he did. That is relevant at this point because...........

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Didn't actually see him come in, but I feel certain that he did. That is relevant at this point because...........

It would indicate that the Trail was completely in over his head as a Varsity official due to his lack of professionalism and game management skills.

I keep trying to picture this situation in my mind and everytime I do, I can't get past one key fact: If the officials made eye contact and were working together, this situation almost couldn't have happened. Literally, the mechanics of inbounding the ball only after making sure your partner was ready and things were OK would've surely caused the LEAD to see the coach yelling at the TRAIL and probably be able to decerne that he wanted SOMETHING. That alone should've required the LEAD to put his hand up to hold the Thrown-in until he figured out what the coach wanted wothout him having to come onto the floor. The more I think about this, the more I think the officials not only "screwed the pooch", but the whole darn pound.

Therefore its almost like they either didn't have a pregame, or were so over their heads with the game that they forgot their fundamentals.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

It would indicate that the Trail was completely in over his head as a Varsity official due to his lack of professionalism and game management skills.

If you arrive in uniform it indicates that you lack professionalism and game management skills. Of course. I should have known.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If you arrive in uniform it indicates that you lack professionalism and game management skills. Of course. I should have known.

I don't know that it *indicates* a lack of ... skills, but there is a stron correlation with the lack of ... skills, assuming the game was a scholastic game at a higher level than Frosh (the specific levels vary by area).

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't know that it *indicates* a lack of ... skills, but there is a stron correlation with the lack of ... skills, assuming the game was a scholastic game at a higher level than Frosh (the specific levels vary by area).

All I can say is the folks around here are out of luck because we pretty much
ALL arrive in uniform. On the day in question I was relating the discussion on this subject to my partner. We agreed that if we arrived wearing ties people would assume we had been to a funeral.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by just another ref

All I can say is the folks around here are out of luck because we pretty much
ALL arrive in uniform. On the day in question I was relating the discussion on this subject to my partner. We agreed that if we arrived wearing ties people would assume we had been to a funeral.

just another ref:

It would be unheard of in Ohio for a school not to provide the game officials a dressing room even for a JrHS basketball game.

But, when I officiated H.S. and college ball in Miami, Florida, in the mid-70's (Billy, that is 1970's, ) the H.S.'s in the Greater Miami Athletic Conference (it stills exists; it is made up of all of the public H.S.'s and only the largest Catholic schools, of which there is only one or two) never provided a dressing room for the officials. Jr. varsity and varsity officials were expected to arrive at the game ready to walk onto the court to officiate and then sit at the Scorer's Table at halftime. This is one official that refused that kind of treatment from the schools, I guess it was because I started officiating in Ohio before I went to college in Miami and I wasn't about to be treated like a bum.

AD's would get the deer caught in the headligts look when I would walk into their school with my officiating bag in hand. They would tell that it was unheard of for an official to be provded with a dressing room and a place to go at halfime. But the slowly game around I guess, but I have since talked with officials from Dade County and nobody goes to a game dressed to officiate.

MTD, Sr.

[just another ref]

I can't get over how many nice guys we have here who accept the coach in the middle of the floor in this situation. What if a sub comes to the table and we all miss it? No horn.....Nobody beckons.....nothing. Can the coach grab his sub by the arm and drag him onto the court?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Should the refs have recognized the request in this situation? perhaps

Does this justify the actions of the coach? no way

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I can't get over how many nice guys we have here who accept the coach in the middle of the floor in this situation. What if a sub comes to the table and we all miss it? No horn.....Nobody beckons.....nothing. Can the coach grab his sub by the arm and drag him onto the court?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Should the refs have recognized the request in this situation? perhaps

Does this justify the actions of the coach? no way

Two entirely different scenarios. Your hypothetical is sooo out of left field as to be irrelevant. And if you can't recognize the difference, I would be worried about your judgement.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I can't get over how many nice guys we have here who accept the coach in the middle of the floor in this situation. What if a sub comes to the table and we all miss it? No horn.....Nobody beckons.....nothing. Can the coach grab his sub by the arm and drag him onto the court?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Should the refs have recognized the request in this situation? perhaps

Does this justify the actions of the coach? no way

Frankly, I'm with you on this one. I keep harping on this, but unless he's also signalling the TO as he's walking and shouting, I might have a T as Lead before the trail gets the TO called.

If, however, I delayed and the trail calls the TO, I'm backing away at this point.

[mj]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I can't get over how many nice guys we have here who accept the coach in the middle of the floor in this situation. What if a sub comes to the table and we all miss it? No horn.....Nobody beckons.....nothing. Can the coach grab his sub by the arm and drag him onto the court?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

Should the refs have recognized the request in this situation? perhaps

Does this justify the actions of the coach? no way

Simple game management again. The subs should easily be recognized by either official during the dead ball.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Didn't actually see him come in, but I feel certain that he did. That is relevant at this point because...........

It's not, I was just adding some levity.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's not, I was just adding some levity.

Levity? That's when a person is magically lifted off the ground? Maybe you could have used that to get that coach off the court.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Levity? That's when a person is magically lifted off the ground? Maybe you could have used that to get that coach off the court.

Sorry, but you've got the wrong definition.

I looked it up once when I was dressing in the coach's office.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sorry, but you've got the wrong definition.

I looked it up once when I was dressing in the coach's office.

The coach had a dictionary? Cool! Today, a dictionary.....tomorrow, maybe a rule book.