Mind your own business?

[refnrev]

My first reaction is that this is but one more reason to hate 2 whistle in boys V! Also, did YOU hear the request for the TO? If not I get it, but if so, why didn't you grant it?

[Adam]

Loud gym, grant the timeout. IMO

Call the T if you want, IMO.

But do not get into the huddle and have an argument with the coach during his TO.

BTW, if I'm lead on this, I'll grant the TO even if I can't quite hear it. No excuse not to.

[icallfouls]

Grant the TO.

Loud gym, close game, official focused on players, the officials need to be aware that coach might want to request a TO.

I am sure that there is a ref in nevada that would say a T is a must in this situation tho

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Grant the TO.

Loud gym, close game, official focused on players, the officials need to be aware that coach might want to request a TO.

I am sure that there is a ref in nevada that would say a T is a must in this situation tho

The coach was standing in the middle of the court. I agree with the ref from nevada in this case.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The coach was standing in the middle of the court. I agree with the ref from nevada in this case.

You're going to penalize a coach for your inability to hear a request for TO? All he wanted was a TO and his request could not be heard.

A T in this situation will only lead to the 2nd T on the coach. It will also cement your status as "just another ref"

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

You're going to penalize a coach for your inability to hear a request for TO? All he wanted was a TO and his request could not be heard.

A T in this situation will only lead to the 2nd T on the coach. It will also cement your status as "just another ref"

So where do you draw the line? When he walks up and slaps you to get your attention?

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

You're going to penalize a coach for your inability to hear a request for TO? All he wanted was a TO and his request could not be heard.

No, he is being penalized for leaving the box. Coming out to the middle of the court is not acceptable ever. Coaches need to understand that seeing/hearing a timeout request from the bench is not the officials' top priority. Sure all he wanted was a timeout but that does not mean the other rules of the game do not apply.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

But do not get into the huddle and have an argument with the coach during his TO.

I thought this was a given.

BTW, if I'm lead on this, I'll grant the TO even if I can't quite hear it. No excuse not to.

I don't follow this. How would you know to grant it if you didn't hear it?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't follow this. How would you know to grant it if you didn't hear it?

The point is that one of them should have heard it. The L really doesn't have anything going on yet, so could easily have helped this situation by having some awareness of what's going on and getting the TO for the coach.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

The point is that one of them should have heard it. The L really doesn't have anything going on yet, so could easily have helped this situation by having some awareness of what's going on and getting the TO for the coach.

Regarding awareness, my thought also. Be prepared after a mini run or defensive miscue etc. that someone will be calling time out. After a made basket in above situations I always glance over to coach that is most likely to call one. Typically it will be called after a made basket, free throw or in transition.

That said, two man can be tough. I'd hate to call a T for the crew's 'failin' to communicate' .

[mj]

So if the T is opposite the benches near the division line, how can he not have a clear view of both benches?

You have to be aware of things...I say no T. Keep the game moving and grant the timeout.

[Ignats75]

^^^^What MJ said but even more....Even if the T is Tableside, if the L is doing his job, he is looking at the Table (and therefore the HC should be in his Line of Sight) and should be looking for a last second sub and making sure they are ready to go (as a crew). In pregame, one of the standard points is to make eye contact before inbounding the ball. This isn't done so I can wink at my partner. This is done to make sure we are both ready and everything is under control. Apparently, the crew in the OP didn't address this in the pregame, or someone was asleep at the switch.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I thought this was a given.

I would have thought so, too. The official in the OP, apparently, did not.

Originally Posted by just another ref

I don't follow this. How would you know to grant it if you didn't hear it?

Situational awareness. I know we're supposed to hear and see, but in this case if the coach is clearly making his way, ever so slowly, onto the court with his hands in the T sign and mouthing the words "Time Out," I'll consider this close a case where seeing is enough.

If I'm wrong, I'll eat the IW and we'll move on. The ball's already dead.

[just another ref]

Did I do that poor a job of describing things? The point of this thread was not even about the failure to grant the time out. I was asking if anyone would call the T from the lead after the trail had granted the time out and was obviously not going to call one.

This all happened with about 3 minutes to go in a close game. Visitors set to inbound. Ball had not become live. Another thing which may or may not be significant. The coach made no TO signal whatsoever, in great contrast to many who jump up and down and wave frantically to attract the officials attention. This guy simply walked in a straight line toward the trail, yelling his request over and over.

I think some of the kids now actually do not even realize that they, too, can make the timeout request. Earlier that same day in a girls game, I'm trail. Point guard stops near the division line. Defense is packed in a zone. I saw the girl look toward the bench. I heard the coach say "Point," a couple of times. I turned to look and the coach was signaling the timeout. I realized afterward the coach was trying to get her player to point at her, so I would look and see the signal. Wouldn't it be easier to have the players be aware that they should also make the signal?

Back to the OP. I think most of us have agreed after numerous discussions that almost nothing is an automatic T. But if a coach is standing that close to the center of the court as the ball is about to be put in play, unless he is trying to tell me the building is on fire or something equally important, he probably has one coming.

[Adam]

This different than I pictured it. As Trail, I'd probably call the T on this. As Lead, I wouldn't call the T after the Trail had already granted the TO.