Questionable T?

[ma_ref]

Sounds like another "had to be there" situation. Mannerisms/body language may give you ammo to hand out a T, but personally I would probably not have T'd cuz you didn't hear what the player said.

You T'd her for mouthing off. Most coaches are going to ask "What did she say?" The problem comes up with the fact that you told the coach you "couldn't make out her words". That's kind of like getting pulled over by the police for speeding, but they can't tell you how fast you were going. Coach is unhappy, and rightfully so...

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

Sounds like another "had to be there" situation. Mannerisms/body language may give you ammo to hand out a T, but personally I would probably not have T'd cuz you didn't hear what the player said.

You T'd her for mouthing off. Most coaches are going to ask "What did she say?" The problem comes up with the fact that you told the coach you "couldn't make out her words". That's kind of like getting pulled over by the police for speeding, but they can't tell you how fast you were going. Coach is unhappy, and rightfully so...

MA Ref:

Does the Mass. mandatory mouth guard rule make this kind of action harder to officiate?

MTD, Sr.

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

MA Ref:

Does the Mass. mandatory mouth guard rule make this kind of action harder to officiate?

MTD, Sr.

Mouth guard isn't mandatory anymore (thankfully). It was changed to just being "recommended" to teams after only 1 or 2 seasons. Since they dropped it, my experience is that most kids don't wear them anymore. They weren't used to wearing them and, in some cases they found it difficult to breathe, and point guards bringing the ball up the court called out plays that sounded all garbled. I can't tell you how many times I saw one dropped on the floor, and since they couldn't play without it, kids just pick it up and put it back in their mouth.

But back to your point, when they were required, most kids took them out to speak, which made our job easier when it comes to listening for unsportsmanlike conduct. No point in trash-talking your opponent when they can't understand you...

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by ma_ref

You T'd her for mouthing off. Most coaches are going to ask "What did she say?" The problem comes up with the fact that you told the coach you "couldn't make out her words". That's kind of like getting pulled over by the police for speeding, but they can't tell you how fast you were going. Coach is unhappy, and rightfully so...

Lord knows I'm in favor of grabbing T's when I can get them, but I always make sure I can justify them, usually, .

Since T's are a point of emphasis for me this year I'm gonna go with NOT a good T.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by Chess Ref

but I always make sure I can justify them, usually, .

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by mbyron

In a sitch like yours, I like to enlist the coach's help. After the half, I might have spoken to her coach: "Coach, #10 has been rough and has shown some attitude out there. I know we both want to keep her in the game."

This isn't exactly a warning, but rather information about what you've observed. And if you end up giving her a T, it will be no surprise to the coach.

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Good stuff! I had a similar situation with a mouthy knucklehead. After reporting a foul, I asked the coach to help me out with #44 (knucklehead) as he was too mouthy & should focus on playing ball as opposed to officiating. He pulled the player out of the game immediately, got in his face & sent him to the back to the table.
Needless to say, when I had to take care of business (about 3 minutes later) coach already knew the deal.

I tried...

Could have used this advice/tactic....and I will in the future.

8th Grade Girls game. V down by 30 or so. Really a route. One of the only V Girls with any skills is getting frustrated - and it shows. I had the opportunity to talk to her during an inbounds play and as I handed her the ball I told her she needed to relax and play the game as she was getting a little "out of control." I then handed her the ball and off we go.

A few minutes later there's a scrum on the floor for a loose ball and she is fighting for it. TWEET! Now, I normally go toward the action (as I've been taught) and say something like, "easy, easy," trying to let them know we're here and the play is over. She keeps fighting for the ball and wrestling and swinging (I didn't call a foul). TWEET! I yelled, "ENOUGH!

Well, apparently, I hurt this Girls feelings. At the next break, the coach told me this young lady was on the bench crying and I shouldn't have raised my voice to her. I explained to the coach what happened previosuly about my warning and she said ok, she wasn't aware of that and asked me to inform her of this type of situation in the future. My partner, whom I worked with many times before agreed with the coach and said I was a bit over the top - I just didn't want it to go any further.

While there was no real opportunity to do so in my case (IMO), it's a good point and lesson learned for me - use the coach.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Could have used this advice/tactic....and I will in the future.

8th Grade Girls game. V down by 30 or so. Really a route. One of the only V Girls with any skills is getting frustrated - and it shows. I had the opportunity to talk to her during an inbounds play and as I handed her the ball I told her she needed to relax and play the game as she was getting a little "out of control." I then handed her the ball and off we go.

A few minutes later there's a scrum on the floor for a loose ball and she is fighting for it. TWEET! Now, I normally go toward the action (as I've been taught) and say something like, "easy, easy," trying to let them know we're here and the play is over. She keeps fighting for the ball and wrestling and swinging (I didn't call a foul). TWEET! I yelled, "ENOUGH!

Well, apparently, I hurt this Girls feelings. At the next break, the coach told me this young lady was on the bench crying and I shouldn't have raised my voice to her. I explained to the coach what happened previosuly about my warning and she said ok, she wasn't aware of that and asked me to inform her of this type of situation in the future. My partner, whom I worked with many times before agreed with the coach and said I was a bit over the top - I just didn't want it to go any further.

While there was no real opportunity to do so in my case (IMO), it's a good point and lesson learned for me - use the coach.

grunewar:

I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Sometimes you have to put some extra pizazz in your voice.

About six years ago in a USSSA Girls' 12U Fast Pitch Tournament the pitcher for the the really good team liked to quick pitch after every foul ball. After the umpteenth time of calling no pitch her coach got upset with me (why am I always the bad guy, ) and finally went out to "calm' her down. As he was returning to the dugout he yelled to me: "Look what you did, you made her cry you jerk!" She was indeed crying but the coach did not stop in the dugout and did not collect $200 as he continued on to the parking lot, .

Second storying about crying. Daryl and I were officiating the Michigan AAU Girls' 18U Tournament (qualifier to the national) about ten years ago. I called a foul on a girl and she turned to me and used a very unlady like word, which earned her a TF for unsportsmanlike conduct. The TF was her fifth foul; when I informed her that she had fouled out, she started crying.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

I had no idea you were so heartless, MTD.

[Nevadaref]

You big meanie!!!