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Old Wed Dec 31, 2008, 02:04am
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First off thanks for everyones input, and a day after I have got over the initial shock of getting scratched. My concern is this with having coaches scratch officials. If some (not all) officials know this the way they may act/or call the game may change depending on whom they are officiating if they are thinking (If I do this... I my not do any more varsity here) AN example of this: I have a fellow official, who is a good official, when he started getting varstiy games he was doing a varsity game. THe coaches wife saw that he was on the game and before the game came over to him (she is also an official) she said that me and my husband think you do a good job and will be writing a letter to the assignor to tell him that we would like you to get more varsity games. Back to the game: Highly contested game, coach that wanted this official to start getting more games argued a call. Called time-out to "vent" to the official. The coach told the official loud enough for others to hear. Make the F ing call. The official did nothing. Was he worried that he wouldn't get recommended for varsity games? Would the same thing happen if officials thought they may be scratched? What happened to doing the right thing, this is why coaches imo shouldn't be involved in scheduling.
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Old Wed Dec 31, 2008, 07:17am
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First off thanks for everyones input, and a day after I have got over the initial shock of getting scratched. My concern is this with having coaches scratch officials. If some (not all) officials know this the way they may act/or call the game may change depending on whom they are officiating if they are thinking (If I do this... I my not do any more varsity here) AN example of this: I have a fellow official, who is a good official, when he started getting varstiy games he was doing a varsity game. THe coaches wife saw that he was on the game and before the game came over to him (she is also an official) she said that me and my husband think you do a good job and will be writing a letter to the assignor to tell him that we would like you to get more varsity games. Back to the game: Highly contested game, coach that wanted this official to start getting more games argued a call. Called time-out to "vent" to the official. The coach told the official loud enough for others to hear. Make the F ing call. The official did nothing. Was he worried that he wouldn't get recommended for varsity games? Would the same thing happen if officials thought they may be scratched? What happened to doing the right thing, this is why coaches imo shouldn't be involved in scheduling.

Great Point, we work the game for the kids...I hope?
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Old Wed Dec 31, 2008, 02:02pm
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Great Point, we work the game for the kids...I hope?
I've never bought into this phrase. We all have motivations why we officiate. For me, it's a challenge, a way to stay involved in sports beyond watching on TV.

I try to give the kids the best game I can, but I'll stop short of saying I do it for them. I do it more FOR ME.
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I try to give the kids the best game I can, but I'll stop short of saying I do it for them. I do it more FOR ME.
Exactly!!!!

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I've never bought into this phrase. We all have motivations why we officiate. For me, it's a challenge, a way to stay involved in sports beyond watching on TV.

I try to give the kids the best game I can, but I'll stop short of saying I do it for them. I do it more FOR ME.
Thanks for putting my thoughts into words.
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Old Wed Dec 31, 2008, 02:24pm
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First off thanks for everyones input, and a day after I have got over the initial shock of getting scratched. My concern is this with having coaches scratch officials. If some (not all) officials know this the way they may act/or call the game may change depending on whom they are officiating if they are thinking (If I do this... I my not do any more varsity here) AN example of this: I have a fellow official, who is a good official, when he started getting varstiy games he was doing a varsity game. THe coaches wife saw that he was on the game and before the game came over to him (she is also an official) she said that me and my husband think you do a good job and will be writing a letter to the assignor to tell him that we would like you to get more varsity games. Back to the game: Highly contested game, coach that wanted this official to start getting more games argued a call. Called time-out to "vent" to the official. The coach told the official loud enough for others to hear. Make the F ing call. The official did nothing. Was he worried that he wouldn't get recommended for varsity games? Would the same thing happen if officials thought they may be scratched? What happened to doing the right thing, this is why coaches imo shouldn't be involved in scheduling.
I've articulated the same point on here before. I agree with your post whole-heartedly.
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Was he worried that he wouldn't get recommended for varsity games? Would the same thing happen if officials thought they may be scratched? What happened to doing the right thing, this is why coaches imo shouldn't be involved in scheduling.
That sounds like a flawed system, not something dealing with only that official. I do not work in a system where the coach has that much control (or any control) over my schedule. If they try to, I will not work for the appropriate person.

I learned long time ago that trying to work at one school is silly. I will probably pass a hundred schools to get to that one. At the end of the day, who cares what one coach thinks. For all you know the recommendation might not mean anything in the first place. We give coaches a little too much power or credit on these kinds of things.

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