scratched?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

Good assignors put you in positions where you and your crew have the greatest chance of success in your games. .

What does the "success" of the officials have to do with the perception of a coach?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

What does the "success" of the officials have to do with the perception of a coach?

In some areas, officials and assigners are afraid of coaches and they let coaches dictate who officiates their games. The Oracle's development has been stunted by such tragedy.

[cardinalfan]

I remember several years ago the first time I heard I had been scratched from a game. I couldn't believe it because I had never had problems with that coach or school before.
I had a game with the same coach a few weeks later, and he told me before the game he had scratched me from the previous game because "I tend to let 'em play, and he needed the game called tight that night".

I work for a different assignor now.

[PIAA REF]

First off thanks for everyones input, and a day after I have got over the initial shock of getting scratched. My concern is this with having coaches scratch officials. If some (not all) officials know this the way they may act/or call the game may change depending on whom they are officiating if they are thinking (If I do this... I my not do any more varsity here) AN example of this: I have a fellow official, who is a good official, when he started getting varstiy games he was doing a varsity game. THe coaches wife saw that he was on the game and before the game came over to him (she is also an official) she said that me and my husband think you do a good job and will be writing a letter to the assignor to tell him that we would like you to get more varsity games. Back to the game: Highly contested game, coach that wanted this official to start getting more games argued a call. Called time-out to "vent" to the official. The coach told the official loud enough for others to hear. Make the F ing call. The official did nothing. Was he worried that he wouldn't get recommended for varsity games? Would the same thing happen if officials thought they may be scratched? What happened to doing the right thing, this is why coaches imo shouldn't be involved in scheduling.

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by PIAA REF

First off thanks for everyones input, and a day after I have got over the initial shock of getting scratched. My concern is this with having coaches scratch officials. If some (not all) officials know this the way they may act/or call the game may change depending on whom they are officiating if they are thinking (If I do this... I my not do any more varsity here) AN example of this: I have a fellow official, who is a good official, when he started getting varstiy games he was doing a varsity game. THe coaches wife saw that he was on the game and before the game came over to him (she is also an official) she said that me and my husband think you do a good job and will be writing a letter to the assignor to tell him that we would like you to get more varsity games. Back to the game: Highly contested game, coach that wanted this official to start getting more games argued a call. Called time-out to "vent" to the official. The coach told the official loud enough for others to hear. Make the F ing call. The official did nothing. Was he worried that he wouldn't get recommended for varsity games? Would the same thing happen if officials thought they may be scratched? What happened to doing the right thing, this is why coaches imo shouldn't be involved in scheduling.

Great Point, we work the game for the kids...I hope?

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

In some areas, officials and assigners are afraid of coaches and they let coaches dictate who officiates their games. The Oracle's development has been stunted by such tragedy.

I don't have conflict with coaches. I don't have conflicts with my assignors. Coach wants to scratch me? OK, there are plenty of other games for me to work where I'm wanted and appreciated. I also would not want to burden my partners with a situation like that. When there is a personality conflict between a coach and an official, it takes mental energy from the entire crew to manage it. That mental energy is better spent focused on the game.

There are no noblemen amongst coaches, officials, assignors, and AD's. All normal human beings. Coaches scratching officials is stupid. But officials can take the high road, and it's not that big of a deal.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by TheOracle

I don't have conflict with coaches. I don't have conflicts with my assignors. Coach wants to scratch me? OK, there are plenty of other games for me to work where I'm wanted and appreciated. I also would not want to burden my partners with a situation like that. When there is a personality conflict between a coach and an official, it takes mental energy from the entire crew to manage it. That mental energy is better spent focused on the game.

There are no noblemen amongst coaches, officials, assignors, and AD's. All normal human beings. Coaches scratching officials is stupid. But officials can take the high road, and it's not that big of a deal.

Fair enough, but to suggest that anytime a coach scratches an official, for any reason, that the assigner is better serving everyone by agreeing is myopic.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

What does the "success" of the officials have to do with the perception of a coach?

In my opinion, a successfully officiated game is one where the better team wins, there are no cheap shots, and the coaches and players do not exhibit much negative emotion. When that happens, the officiating is invisble to everyone. And yes, I know that this is not possible in every game. But that's my goal every night.

When someone has a personality conflict with a coach (or a player), the chances of this happening are close to zero.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Great Point, we work the game for the kids...I hope?

I've never bought into this phrase. We all have motivations why we officiate. For me, it's a challenge, a way to stay involved in sports beyond watching on TV.

I try to give the kids the best game I can, but I'll stop short of saying I do it for them. I do it more FOR ME.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by PIAA REF

First off thanks for everyones input, and a day after I have got over the initial shock of getting scratched. My concern is this with having coaches scratch officials. If some (not all) officials know this the way they may act/or call the game may change depending on whom they are officiating if they are thinking (If I do this... I my not do any more varsity here) AN example of this: I have a fellow official, who is a good official, when he started getting varstiy games he was doing a varsity game. THe coaches wife saw that he was on the game and before the game came over to him (she is also an official) she said that me and my husband think you do a good job and will be writing a letter to the assignor to tell him that we would like you to get more varsity games. Back to the game: Highly contested game, coach that wanted this official to start getting more games argued a call. Called time-out to "vent" to the official. The coach told the official loud enough for others to hear. Make the F ing call. The official did nothing. Was he worried that he wouldn't get recommended for varsity games? Would the same thing happen if officials thought they may be scratched? What happened to doing the right thing, this is why coaches imo shouldn't be involved in scheduling.

I've articulated the same point on here before. I agree with your post whole-heartedly.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by PIAA REF

Was he worried that he wouldn't get recommended for varsity games? Would the same thing happen if officials thought they may be scratched? What happened to doing the right thing, this is why coaches imo shouldn't be involved in scheduling.

That sounds like a flawed system, not something dealing with only that official. I do not work in a system where the coach has that much control (or any control) over my schedule. If they try to, I will not work for the appropriate person.

I learned long time ago that trying to work at one school is silly. I will probably pass a hundred schools to get to that one. At the end of the day, who cares what one coach thinks. For all you know the recommendation might not mean anything in the first place. We give coaches a little too much power or credit on these kinds of things.

Peace

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I try to give the kids the best game I can, but I'll stop short of saying I do it for them. I do it more FOR ME.

Exactly!!!!

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

I've never bought into this phrase. We all have motivations why we officiate. For me, it's a challenge, a way to stay involved in sports beyond watching on TV.

I try to give the kids the best game I can, but I'll stop short of saying I do it for them. I do it more FOR ME.

Thanks for putting my thoughts into words.