From the C ...

Johnny Ringo · #1 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 22, 2008, 07:59pm

The T is deep in the backcourt with the A1 (who as the ball) and B1.

A1 fires a baseball pass to A2 who is near the division line. A2 catches it with one foot in F/C and the other in B/C. A2 lifts foot in B/C and gets stuck an then throws to A3 who is in the B/C.

The T is way behind the play and as trouble seeing it. It was difficult to tell if this was a violation and second is it o.k. for C to call this?

shishstripes · #2 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 22, 2008, 08:40pm

When A2 lifted foot in BC, A2 gave the ball FC status. Passing it back to A3 in BC = Backcourt Violation. I work more 2 man and if T is deep in BC and pass is to division line, I surely wouldn't mind help from the L, so I can't imagine not helping as a C.

Johnny Ringo · #3 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 22, 2008, 08:47pm

They say all three points - both feet and ball - in this case the ball was never dribbled in FC.

To all of those who work 3-man: are you ok with the C calling a B/C violation?

Berkut · #4 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 22, 2008, 08:59pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

They say all three points - both feet and ball - in this case the ball was never dribbled in FC.

To all of those who work 3-man: are you ok with the C calling a B/C violation?

IN high school at least, all three points is only in reference to a player dribbling the ball.

Someone just standing there has FC status as soon as his back foot leaves the back court.

shishstripes · #5 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 22, 2008, 08:59pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

They say all three points - both feet and ball - in this case the ball was never dribbled in FC.

Three points is true when the ball is being dribbled but location here is based on the players feet. One foot in BC ball has BC status, when the foot in BC gets lifted, only one foot down in FC ball also has FC status now.

#6 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 22, 2008, 09:03pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

The T is deep in the backcourt with the A1 (who as the ball) and B1.

A1 fires a baseball pass to A2 who is near the division line. A2 catches it with one foot in F/C and the other in B/C. A2 lifts foot in B/C and gets stuck an then throws to A3 who is in the B/C.

The T is way behind the play and as trouble seeing it. First, is this a violation and second is it o.k. for C to call this?

Is the C located somewhere near the division line or at the division line with a 100% high certainty look? The F/C foot isnt still touching the division line?

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

They say all three points - both feet and ball - in this case the ball was never dribbled in FC.

To all of those who work 3-man: are you ok with the C calling a B/C violation?

Rules reference please...

I think it's good teamwork & for the good of the game to pick-up something that matters if a partner missed it. That's what partners are for.

BBall_Junkie · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 23, 2008, 10:29am

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Originally Posted by Ch1town

Is the C located somewhere near the division line or at the division line with a 100% high certainty look? .

Can someone define 100% high certainty to me?

Contradiction in terms imo.

TheOracle · #8 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 22, 2008, 10:52pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

They say all three points - both feet and ball - in this case the ball was never dribbled in FC.

To all of those who work 3-man: are you ok with the C calling a B/C violation?

My motto: "Call whatever you want in my area. Just make sure you are correct."

Everything else is noise and ego. If you are 100%, make the call on that. That's being a good crewmate.

Scrapper1 · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 23, 2008, 08:49am

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Originally Posted by TheOracle

My motto: "Call whatever you want in my area. Just make sure you are correct."

Everything else is noise and ego.

I disagree, but we've had this discussion dozens of times.

refnrev · #10 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 22, 2008, 10:57pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

They say all three points - both feet and ball - in this case the ball was never dribbled in FC.

To all of those who work 3-man: are you ok with the C calling a B/C violation?

1. You might want to rethink that statement... you're not correct here.
2. Of course the C should call it.. often, in a press situation the C is right on the division line when this happens.

Johnny Ringo · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 23, 2008, 01:07am

Re-think which statement?

It was a B/C violation. I worded it wrong from the get-go. The problem was the T could not completely see the play and the C was right on it. However, the C told the T it was his line.

jdw3018 · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 23, 2008, 09:03am

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Re-think which statement?

He's just saying to rethink your "all three points" statement since it is in no way germane to this situation because the player wasn't dribbling.

If you knew it was a B/C violation, why did you include that statement?

Freddy · #13 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 22, 2008, 08:47pm

This was considered about three weeks ago in a thread asking if, in transition, C should pause at the division line. The consensus back then was that it was a good idea in order to catch a good glimpse down the division line in case of a close play exactly as you bring up.

IREFU2 · #14 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 22, 2008, 09:50pm

Look at 4.4.1 in the case book, it explains the backcourt violation and when its not BC. As far as the C making the call, I have no problem with that. We have always been told to have a strong C.

zebraman · #15 (**permalink**) Mon Dec 22, 2008, 09:10pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

The T is deep in the backcourt with the A1 (who as the ball) and B1.

A1 fires a baseball pass to A2 who is near the division line. A2 catches it with one foot in F/C and the other in B/C. A2 lifts foot in B/C and gets stuck an then throws to A3 who is in the B/C.

The T is way behind the play and as trouble seeing it. First, is this a violation and second is it o.k. for C to call this?

Yes it's a violation. When A2 lifted the foot in B/C, his location was F/C. Then he passed to a player in B/C.

Yes, it's good for the C to give help on this play. That's why we have 3 officials (to get good play coverage).