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Johnny Ringo Mon Dec 22, 2008 07:59pm

From the C ...
 
The T is deep in the backcourt with the A1 (who as the ball) and B1.

A1 fires a baseball pass to A2 who is near the division line. A2 catches it with one foot in F/C and the other in B/C. A2 lifts foot in B/C and gets stuck an then throws to A3 who is in the B/C.

The T is way behind the play and as trouble seeing it. It was difficult to tell if this was a violation and second is it o.k. for C to call this?

shishstripes Mon Dec 22, 2008 08:40pm

When A2 lifted foot in BC, A2 gave the ball FC status. Passing it back to A3 in BC = Backcourt Violation. I work more 2 man and if T is deep in BC and pass is to division line, I surely wouldn't mind help from the L, so I can't imagine not helping as a C.

Johnny Ringo Mon Dec 22, 2008 08:47pm

They say all three points - both feet and ball - in this case the ball was never dribbled in FC.

To all of those who work 3-man: are you ok with the C calling a B/C violation?

Freddy Mon Dec 22, 2008 08:47pm

C Linger Momentarily at D-L in Transition?
 
This was considered about three weeks ago in a thread asking if, in transition, C should pause at the division line. The consensus back then was that it was a good idea in order to catch a good glimpse down the division line in case of a close play exactly as you bring up.

Berkut Mon Dec 22, 2008 08:59pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 560813)
They say all three points - both feet and ball - in this case the ball was never dribbled in FC.

To all of those who work 3-man: are you ok with the C calling a B/C violation?

IN high school at least, all three points is only in reference to a player dribbling the ball.

Someone just standing there has FC status as soon as his back foot leaves the back court.

shishstripes Mon Dec 22, 2008 08:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 560813)
They say all three points - both feet and ball - in this case the ball was never dribbled in FC.

Three points is true when the ball is being dribbled but location here is based on the players feet. One foot in BC ball has BC status, when the foot in BC gets lifted, only one foot down in FC ball also has FC status now.

Ch1town Mon Dec 22, 2008 09:03pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 560807)
The T is deep in the backcourt with the A1 (who as the ball) and B1.

A1 fires a baseball pass to A2 who is near the division line. A2 catches it with one foot in F/C and the other in B/C. A2 lifts foot in B/C and gets stuck an then throws to A3 who is in the B/C.

The T is way behind the play and as trouble seeing it. First, is this a violation and second is it o.k. for C to call this?

Is the C located somewhere near the division line or at the division line with a 100% high certainty look? The F/C foot isnt still touching the division line?


Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 560813)
They say all three points - both feet and ball - in this case the ball was never dribbled in FC.

To all of those who work 3-man: are you ok with the C calling a B/C violation?

Rules reference please...

I think it's good teamwork & for the good of the game to pick-up something that matters if a partner missed it. That's what partners are for.

zebraman Mon Dec 22, 2008 09:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 560807)
The T is deep in the backcourt with the A1 (who as the ball) and B1.

A1 fires a baseball pass to A2 who is near the division line. A2 catches it with one foot in F/C and the other in B/C. A2 lifts foot in B/C and gets stuck an then throws to A3 who is in the B/C.

The T is way behind the play and as trouble seeing it. First, is this a violation and second is it o.k. for C to call this?

Yes it's a violation. When A2 lifted the foot in B/C, his location was F/C. Then he passed to a player in B/C.

Yes, it's good for the C to give help on this play. That's why we have 3 officials (to get good play coverage).

Johnny Ringo Mon Dec 22, 2008 09:16pm

Yes it was a B/C violation ... just wanted to know what all thought about the C calling a B/C violation. Thanks!

rockyroad Mon Dec 22, 2008 09:29pm

Absolutely the C's call in this situation. T is stuck deep, C is right there and sees it - go get it. Beautiful call for the C to make.

IREFU2 Mon Dec 22, 2008 09:50pm

Look at 4.4.1 in the case book, it explains the backcourt violation and when its not BC. As far as the C making the call, I have no problem with that. We have always been told to have a strong C.

JugglingReferee Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:03pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 560807)
The T is deep in the backcourt with the A1 (who as the ball) and B1.

A1 fires a baseball pass to A2 who is near the division line. A2 catches it with one foot in F/C and the other in B/C. A2 lifts foot in B/C and gets stuck an then throws to A3 who is in the B/C.

The T is way behind the play and has trouble seeing it. First, is this a violation and second is it o.k. for C to call this?

1 billion % yes. It is ok for the C to call this violation.

Scrapper1 Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:20pm

Part of my pre-game is that C has primary responsibility for any violations between the free throw circles in transition, even on the opposite side of the floor.

Adam Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:39pm

I'm the one who brought this up; I felt when I made it that it was a good get for C and that was confirmed here.

My play was slightly different. B1 steals the pass in transition with both feet just inside the front court. As he takes off towards his basket, his back foot steps back onto the line as a sort of momentum gathering move. I hit it as C and feel good about it. T didn't see it the same way and questioned me on it later.

TheOracle Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 560813)
They say all three points - both feet and ball - in this case the ball was never dribbled in FC.

To all of those who work 3-man: are you ok with the C calling a B/C violation?

My motto: "Call whatever you want in my area. Just make sure you are correct."

Everything else is noise and ego. If you are 100%, make the call on that. That's being a good crewmate.


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