Question about traveling...

[golfdesigner]

If I am understanding your description, I believe your understanding of two steps is not correct.
Here is case book quote [I have added the emphasis]:

4.44.3 SITUATION C: A1 receives a pass and establishes the right foot as the
pivot. While faking a pass or try, A1 lifts the pivot foot and stands on the left foot alone while undecided as to what to do. Has A1 traveled? RULING: No. Traveling would occur only if A1 begins a dribble or returns the pivot foot to the floor. While in this position A1 may pass, try for goal or call a time-out.

When A1 has right foot on floor when picking up dribble, that's the pivot foot (see highlight below). A1 can step with the left, and pick up the right (pivot foot), but A1 must either pass or shoot before the pivot foot touches the floor again. This would be your so called second step.

Here is the Rule Book Quote:
4-44
ART. 2 . . . A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop,
and establish a pivot foot as follows:
a. If both feet are off the floor and the player lands:
1. Simultaneously on both feet, either foot may be the pivot.
2. On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch is the pivot.
3. On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land
on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.
b. If one foot is on the floor:
1. It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.
2. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both.
Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.
ART. 3 . . . After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is
released on a pass or try for goal.
b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball
is released on a pass or try for goal.
c. The pivot foot may not be lifted before the ball is released, to start a dribble.
ART. 4 . . . After coming to a stop when neither foot can be a pivot:
a. One or both feet may be lifted, but may not be returned to the floor before
the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
b. Neither foot may be lifted before the ball is released, to start a dribble.


The NBA may let these two steps go, but under NFHS when that right foot hits again, I got a violation.

[greatgamer]

Originally Posted by golfdesigner

If I am understanding your description, I believe your understanding of two steps is not correct.
Here is case book quote [I have added the emphasis]:

4.44.3 SITUATION C: A1 receives a pass and establishes the right foot as the
pivot. While faking a pass or try, A1 lifts the pivot foot and stands on the left foot alone while undecided as to what to do. Has A1 traveled? RULING: No. Traveling would occur only if A1 begins a dribble or returns the pivot foot to the floor. While in this position A1 may pass, try for goal or call a time-out.

When A1 has right foot on floor when picking up dribble, that's the pivot foot (see highlight below). A1 can step with the left, and pick up the right (pivot foot), but A1 must either pass or shoot before the pivot foot touches the floor again. This would be your so called second step.

Here is the Rule Book Quote:
4-44
ART. 2 . . . A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop,
and establish a pivot foot as follows:
a. If both feet are off the floor and the player lands:
1. Simultaneously on both feet, either foot may be the pivot.
2. On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch is the pivot.
3. On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land
on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.
b. If one foot is on the floor:
1. It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.
2. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both.
Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.
ART. 3 . . . After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is
released on a pass or try for goal.
b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball
is released on a pass or try for goal.
c. The pivot foot may not be lifted before the ball is released, to start a dribble.
ART. 4 . . . After coming to a stop when neither foot can be a pivot:
a. One or both feet may be lifted, but may not be returned to the floor before
the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
b. Neither foot may be lifted before the ball is released, to start a dribble.


The NBA may let these two steps go, but under NFHS when that right foot hits again, I got a violation.

Okay, I might be referring to the NBA. I did not know that in NFHS, you're only allowed to take one step. This is completely new to me, and it seems like it would be pretty tough to adjust to that kind of rule. I don't even know how you'd be able to generate any kind of rhythm laying it up, when you can only take one step.

So you're saying this would be illegal in NFHS?

YouTube - Kobe Bryant cross-over layup Team USA vs Argentina

In the video, Kobe Bryant makes his last dribble with his left foot on the floor, takes TWO STEPS and lays it in.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by greatgamer

Okay, I might be referring to the NBA. I did not know that in NFHS, you're only allowed to take one step. This is completely new to me, and it seems like it would be pretty tough to adjust to that kind of rule. I don't even know how you'd be able to generate any kind of rhythm laying it up, when you can only take one step.

So you're saying this would be illegal in NFHS?

YouTube - Kobe Bryant cross-over layup Team USA vs Argentina

In the video, Kobe Bryant makes his last dribble with his left foot on the floor, takes TWO STEPS and lays it in.

It was a travel also under FIBA rules, they are just the same as NHFS and NCAA in this case.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

It was a travel also under FIBA rules, they are just the same as NHFS and NCAA in this case.

The play was perfectly legal. Pause the video at 22 seconds. When he ends his dribble by touching the ball with both hands, his left foot is clearly not on the floor. His right foot is his pivot foot. He strides with that foot on the court and steps with his left foot. He jumps off his left foot without ever putting his right foot (pivot) back down and shoots.

There is no traveling violation here.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The play was perfectly legal. Pause the video at 22 seconds. When he ends his dribble by touching the ball with both hands, his left foot is clearly not on the floor. His right foot is his pivot foot. He strides with that foot on the court and steps with his left foot. He jumps off his left foot without ever putting his right foot (pivot) back down and shoots.

There is no traveling violation here.

WOW! You're right! Knowing it was Kobe, I just assumed the play was illegal.
All is not lost, though. Dial up some Lebron video. You will see a travel soon enough.

[greatgamer]

Originally Posted by just another ref

WOW! You're right! Knowing it was Kobe, I just assumed the play was illegal.
All is not lost, though. Dial up some Lebron video. You will see a travel soon enough.

Yeah, Lebron James is the worst traveler in the NBA, and he gets away with it every time. Amazes me how hard everyone rides on that guy's broomstick. Kobe doesn't travel, or palm the ball like Wade.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by greatgamer

Yeah, Lebron James is the worst traveler in the NBA, and he gets away with it every time.

I sometimes tell the captains in the pregame: Guys, every time you watch Lebron James on tv, you learn a new move (pause) which will be illegal in this game tonight. I think at least some of them get it.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The play was perfectly legal. Pause the video at 22 seconds. When he ends his dribble by touching the ball with both hands, his left foot is clearly not on the floor. His right foot is his pivot foot. He strides with that foot on the court and steps with his left foot. He jumps off his left foot without ever putting his right foot (pivot) back down and shoots.

There is no traveling violation here.

I was assuming that the play was as described by the OP. But you're right. The most important thing is that the rules are the same for all rule sets.

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