Another T or No T situation

[ranjo]

GV game and I am in the stands after completing my game. Three person crew working two closely matched teams and the home team has seen its lead in the 4th quarter evaporate from 10pts to 5pts.

On an end-line throw-in for the visitors and in the vistors FC, center official (across the court from the team benches) calls a pushing foul on the visitors shortly after the ball becomes live, but before the throw-in is completed. Visitors coach becomes visibly upset with the call and starts a rant at the calling official. He does not use profanty or make it personal, he is just upset with the call. Coach then calls a full time-out and spends the entire 60 seconds staring at the calling official who is now on the blocks at the far end of the court. He never even looks at his team, but just keeps up the drop dead stare. As the time-out is ending, new trail gets with the coach and tells him the call is not going to change so lets just play and get by it. ( I later learn the crew has pre-gamed as much tolorance as possible for the coaches and not to go looking for trouble.)

Game continues and visitors eventully win by 3.

In the officials room after the game, the official who made the foul call and was the object of the stare-down is upset that neither of his partners T'ed the coach for the obvious stare down, and I get a call from one of the partners after the game for my take on it, because he knows I had the best view from the stands.

I told him, in my opinion, the coach made himself look like an #ss to everybody in the stands who knew anything about basketball and he didn't completely earn the T because he wasn't personal, persistant, or profane in voice once the initial rant was over. He just looked like a little bully trying to intimidate someone, looking stupid, and giving up a time-out in a close game to do it.

I also told him I would present the senerio to you guys for your opinions. I know it would mean more if you were there, but would an obvious stare-down such as this cause you to give the automatic T?

[bigbeardedbryan]

I do not assess a technical foul here. Seriously, you're asking if you can T up a coach for looking at you funny. I tend to have a short fuse when it comes to keeping coaches under control, but even I can't throw down here.

IMO, kudos to the new trail for going to the coach and suggesting he lose the attitude--that is exactly how the situation should have been dealt with.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by bigbeardedbryan

I do not assess a technical foul here. Seriously, you're asking if you can T up a coach for looking at you funny. I tend to have a short fuse when it comes to keeping coaches under control, but even I can't throw down here.

IMO, kudos to the new trail for going to the coach and suggesting he lose the attitude--that is exactly how the situation should have been dealt with.

Think how much more spectacular it would have been if the partner had done this DURING the time-out staredown, instead of waiting for the time-out to end!

[derwil]

The staree could blown the coach a kiss.

I had it happen once - smiled and waved at the coach. He probably thought I was stupid but he turned back to his players and started coaching again.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Think how much more spectacular it would have been if the partner had done this DURING the time-out staredown, instead of waiting for the time-out to end!

^^^^^^^^^
My thoughts exactly

[Nevadaref]

Whack.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Think how much more spectacular it would have been if the partner had done this DURING the time-out staredown, instead of waiting for the time-out to end!

This is the best course of action of all stated.

but this could fall under any of the following with regard to issuing a technical foul;
a. Disrespectfully addressing an official.
b. Attempting to influence an official's decision.
e. Objecting to an official's decision by rising from the bench or using gestures.
f. Inciting undesirable crowd reactions.

As for a partner issuing the technical, I can agree with that, -the offical made the call the coach didn't like, If wants to play games let one of the partners get him for being an A$$, The perception is bad,
However since he didn't Whack him he really can not say too much to his partners.

[TheOracle]

No way you T there. Get a thicker skin or you won't last long. Also to complain that his partners didn't do his dirty work for him is pretty funny.

Staring never hurts anyone, unless you let it affect you.

[tjones1]

Since it's the holiday season... give the gift that keeps on giving (or something like that)...

When it doubt, whack!

[mbyron]

You could apply a version of the "Meese Gambit": if the coach didn't deserve this particular T, he probably did something recently that deserved one and didn't get it.

[newera21]

This is a high school game and in your pre-game meeting with the coaches and captains you told them you expected good sportsmanship throughout the evening. No way that is good sportsmanship and sets a bad example for high school kids-- technical foul after just a few seconds of staring. Easy decision as far as I'm concerned.

[David M]

I recall several years ago an official (Ron Garretson I think) in an NBA game calling a T on a player for exactly this reason. I could hear the official saying the player was trying to intimidate him.

[IblewOne]

I say no technical. Just because a coach wants to use a timeout to stare-down an officials, in a game that close, is his problem. He is now not using his and his teams’ time wisely.

The official who was the subject of the stare-down should have looked away. Contrary to popular belief, just as the official seemed intimidated the coach may have felt the official was trying to intimidate him as well by staring. As long as the official kept staring at the coach he continued to stare back and if the official thinks about it, in retrospect he was doing the same thing he felt the coach should have received a "T" for.

Remember as officials we have a lot of authority (some say power) when we are on the court and we must convey the proper message. We don’t want coaches or players to feel we are intimidating and by staring them down may convey the wrong message as if we are trying to bait them into doing or saying something.

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by ranjo

Coach then calls a full time-out and spends the entire 60 seconds staring at the calling official who is now on the blocks at the far end of the court. He never even looks at his team, but just keeps up the drop dead stare.

Originally Posted by IblewOne

As long as the official kept staring at the coach he continued to stare back and if the official thinks about it, in retrospect he was doing the same thing he felt the coach should have received a "T" for.

These are two completely different descriptions of the event. nowhere did it say the Referee was staring the coach down too!

A few years ago I would have whacked this guy just on principle.

Now it would be a result of the call, his initial display plus this display that would determine the result of this encounter.
However I am not going to back down from the guy, I'm not going to blow him a kiss either. I am going to do the things, I am supposed to do durring the time out. But I wouldn't be shy about doing either.
I would hope that my partner(s) handled it so I didn't have to. However that turns out.

[icallfouls]

I have an assignor that wants the officials to face each other during timeouts for this very reason.