Violation on jump ball

[Clark Kent]

On the opening tip A1 jumps up and catches the jump ball. By so doing he/she gains possession but according to 9-3-7c he/she commits a violation.

So would the alternating possession be awarded to team B (because A secured the jump ball) and then a violation would also be called and B would basically start with the ball and get the next held ball or would team A get the alternating possession even though they gained possession, but by so doing caused a violation?

Any references to clarify would be great!

Thanks

[just another ref]

6.4.1.D B gets the ball. A gets the arrow.

[shishstripes]

Similar to starting the game off with a T, the throw-in establishes the AP, T on team A: Ball to B, arrow to A.

Somebody once explained it to me as there is no double jeopardy.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

On the opening tip A1 jumps up and catches the jump ball. By so doing he/she gains possession but according to 9-3-7c he/she commits a violation.

So would the alternating possession be awarded to team B (because A secured the jump ball) and then a violation would also be called and B would basically start with the ball and get the next held ball or would team A get the alternating possession even though they gained possession, but by so doing caused a violation?

Any references to clarify would be great!

Thanks

What you have inquired about was the old way. The rule was changed back in 2002-03.
You can see that there is now an exception for this specific situation in the player control rule 4-12-1.
So the jumper DOES NOT establish control by catching the ball. It is merely a violation, and the opponent is awarded a throw-in, but the violating team will get the arrow when the ball is placed at the disposal of the thrower from the opposing team.

[Illini_Ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

the violating team will get the arrow when the ball is placed at the disposal of the thrower from the opposing team.

Are you sure? I don't believe the arrow is set until the throw-in ends or the team taking the ball out violates.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

Are you sure? I don't believe the arrow is set until the throw-in ends or the team taking the ball out violates.

He's sure, read the rule he gave you.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

Are you sure? I don't believe the arrow is set until the throw-in ends or the team taking the ball out violates.

That is when the arrow gets REVERSED. In this situation we are concerned with when the arrow gets initially set. Two different things.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

Are you sure?

He don't know Nevada very good, do he?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

He don't know Nevada very good, do he?

Yeah, if there's one thing Nevada always is, it's "sure."

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

Are you sure? I don't believe the arrow is set until the throw-in ends or the team taking the ball out violates.

LOL Oh he's sure.....

[Spence]

On this play, does the clock start when its touched by someone or soemthing other than the jumper or does it start when the jumper touches it?

I can't find that in the rulebook.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Spence

On this play, does the clock start when its touched by someone or soemthing other than the jumper or does it start when the jumper touches it?

I can't find that in the rulebook.

When the jumper touches it.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Spence

On this play, does the clock start when its touched by someone or soemthing other than the jumper or does it start when the jumper touches it?

I can't find that in the rulebook.

5-9-2.

Always listen to Bob. (11-1-1)

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Illini_Ref

Are you sure? I don't believe the arrow is set until the throw-in ends or the team taking the ball out violates.

BD

Think of it this way...

If on the throw-in the thrower stuck the ball through the plane and the defender grabbed it - a held ball is whistled. Since the throw-in had not ended and no violation occurred who would get the ball? You wouldn't send those two to the center to jump. Therefore, the arrow must be set when it's placed at the disposal of the thrower.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

5-9-2.

Always listen to Bob. (11-1-1)

Thanks, gentlemen.

5-9-2 says "legally touched."

So, if a jumper gets whistled for hitting the ball on the way up would the clock not start. I ask because many timers seem to go on their own without waiting for the officials to start the clock. So, if this is not a legal touch and the timer started the clock, do I have him/her reset it?