What do you have... Strange play

[JMUplayer]

JV Girls game.
Home team trails by one shooting one free throw off a old fashion 3 point play.
Home girl makes the free throw. I'm in the new trail after the free throw is made. The ball bounces 3 times and after 2 seconds or so i glance up the court. Girl from the Away team apparently was beyond half court for the free throw is running/jogging up the court to be the throw in person. Around the free throw line she PLOWS over the littlest girl on the other team.
It's not bad enough to be flag. foul.

What do you have?

One of the strangest plays i've seen.

What i think happended was the little girl who got plowed was face guarding not realizing the the ball wasn't attempting to be thrown in and the girl who was going to throw it in deciding plowing would be the best course of action.

[tjones1]

If I'm reading this right the ball is still dead as it's not at the disposal of the thrower. So unless it's intentional or flagrant it's nothing.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by tjones1

If I'm reading this right the ball is still dead as it's not at the disposal of the thrower. So unless it's intentional or flagrant it's nothing.

HTBT for this part. I may have started a count by this point, in which case it WOULD be at the disposal of the throw-in team.

In the real world, it would probably be called a personal foul, right or wrong.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

HTBT for this part. I may have started a count by this point, in which case it WOULD be at the disposal of the throw-in team.

In the real world, it would probably be called a personal foul, right or wrong.

I agree. However, if the throwing team is hustling (as it sounds in the OP - and how I took it) back to make the throw-in and I don't think they are trying to delay I'm not going to start my count until it's at their disposal.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JMUplayer

What i think happended was the little girl who got plowed was face guarding not realizing the the ball wasn't attempting to be thrown in and the girl who was going to throw it in deciding plowing would be the best course of action.

The way I read this, it sure looks intentional to me. The call here would be an intentional technical foul. Two free throws (for any player) and the ball at the division line.

[mbyron]

Agreed, you must judge whether this was intentional or just dumb. Talk to dumb, penalize intentional, but do something with this.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JMUplayer

The ball bounces 3 times and after 2 seconds or so

4-4-7d: A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is available to a player after a goal.


This is more than enough time to consider this ball available. The ball is live. Call it a personal foul.

[Juulie Downs]

Had partner started the count? Would that make a difference?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

Had partner started the count? Would that make a difference?

I guess it depends whether you want to say that since the count had not started, the ball was not at the players disposal, or the ball had been available for "2 seconds or so" which makes it at their disposal whether the count had started or not.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I guess it depends whether you want to say that since the count had not started, the ball was not at the players disposal, or the ball had been available for "2 seconds or so" which makes it at their disposal whether the count had started or not.

The referee judges when to start the count. At the point he starts the count, that is when the ball becomes live. It does make a difference in whether this foul gets called intentional personal or intentional technical.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The referee judges when to start the count. At the point he starts the count, that is when the ball becomes live. It does make a difference in whether this foul gets called intentional personal or intentional technical.

Theoretically, the two events happen at the same time. But the fact is that the count should start when the ball becomes live, not that the start of the count makes the ball live. So, in this case, if the C makes the foul call, and is aware, which he should be, that the ball was indeed available, he can call a personal foul whether the T is counting or not.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

4-4-7d: A ball is at the disposal of a player when it is available to a player after a goal.


This is more than enough time to consider this ball available. The ball is live. Call it a personal foul.

I agree. Three bounces of the ball and two or three seconds elapsing is more than enough time. The ball is live. This is a common foul for charging. Award the bonus if necessary in an NFHS game.