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Old Wed Dec 10, 2008, 04:24pm
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What rebounding? It's a successful attempt. And even if there is rebounding action, you can't do both?
your eyes should be on the rebounders before the ball gets to the basket.
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Old Wed Dec 10, 2008, 04:27pm
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What rebounding? It's a successful attempt. And even if there is rebounding action, you can't do both? Wouldn't you do both if you were the T or C? What am I missing? What's the connection? Why can't I stop asking questions?
Basically because the mechanic for the lead is not to give the successful signal. My question (I'll only ask one ) is why would you feel the need to give the touchdown signal when you already have 2 other officials doing so?
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Old Wed Dec 10, 2008, 05:23pm
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your eyes should be on the rebounders before the ball gets to the basket.
But they can't be on the rebounders if you have the shooter and have to make sure he/she is able to land safely without being fouled...which is the whole point of this topic - should the L have the shooter way out there.

And the only reason I see for the L to ever give the TD signal is if the either the T or C (or both) do not give the signal.
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Old Thu Dec 11, 2008, 07:46am
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Basically because the mechanic for the lead is not to give the successful signal. My question (I'll only ask one ) is why would you feel the need to give the touchdown signal when you already have 2 other officials doing so?
My partner last night on a frosh game had a mechanic that was new to me. When the last FT went up, he would raise his hand to start the clock. If the shot went in, he raised the other hand, as if it were 3 points!
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Old Thu Dec 11, 2008, 09:37am
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I've always been told that the L has no 3-point responsibilities whatsoever as far as primary coverage goes. We go off of the chart that's in the NFHS manual with the L's coverage ending at the 3-point line and the Trail's coverage going all the way to the corner outside of the arc.

I did see the L in an NBA game last night give the preliminary 3-point signal though. I know, I know, the NBA is different.
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I've always been told that the L has no 3-point responsibilities whatsoever as far as primary coverage goes. We go off of the chart that's in the NFHS manual with the L's coverage ending at the 3-point line and the Trail's coverage going all the way to the corner outside of the arc.

I did see the L in an NBA game last night give the preliminary 3-point signal though. I know, I know, the NBA is different.
Officials Manual 3.3.4B. Three-Point Try 5 - "Lead has responsibility to assist Center and Trail in transition."
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Old Thu Dec 11, 2008, 10:36am
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Officials Manual 3.3.4B. Three-Point Try 5 - "Lead has responsibility to assist Center and Trail in transition."
Hence the reason I said primary coverage. I wasn't talking about transition.
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Old Thu Dec 11, 2008, 10:51am
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I'm not...I give the 3 signal to help my partners but I'm not signalling the successful attempt. I getting my eyes down and in the paint for rebounding action.
I concur.....even on the NCCA-W side, we signal the 3 point attempt, but dont give the TD signal. Trail does it and the Center mirrors.....
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Old Thu Dec 11, 2008, 10:53am
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Hence the reason I said primary coverage. I wasn't talking about transition.
Spin it any way you wish.
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Old Thu Dec 11, 2008, 12:39pm
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What rebounding? It's a successful attempt. And even if there is rebounding action, you can't do both? Wouldn't you do both if you were the T or C? What am I missing? What's the connection? Why can't I stop asking questions?
You have never had a foul on a player going for a possible rebound on a made basket?
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Old Thu Dec 11, 2008, 01:08pm
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You have never had a foul on a player going for a possible rebound on a made basket?
Apparently, you stopped reading before getting to:

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And even if there is rebounding action, you can't do both?
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Old Thu Dec 11, 2008, 02:03pm
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My partner last night on a frosh game had a mechanic that was new to me. When the last FT went up, he would raise his hand to start the clock. If the shot went in, he raised the other hand, as if it were 3 points!
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My partner last night on a frosh game had a mechanic that was new to me. When the last FT went up, he would raise his hand to start the clock. If the shot went in, he raised the other hand, as if it were 3 points!
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Old Thu Dec 11, 2008, 02:49pm
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Yeah, I forgot to ask that guy what the heck he was doing... game ended with one of the scorekeepers chasing me off the floor complaining about the wrong kid shooting FT's (he was wrong about that), so I was a little distracted by that.
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