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imaref Tue Dec 09, 2008 08:27am

3-Person Mechanics - NFHS
 
Mechanics change year-to-year ("move to improve").....but Fed changes only occur every two years....however, state associations can include their adaptations, if they choose. Here's my question:

In 3-Person.....Does the Lead official have three-point try responsibilities from the near sideline corner to the near free-throw line extended?
I think this is a FALSE statement.

However, some claim it's TRUE because mechanically, crews pre-game the sitch as Lead will assist C or T "in transition". The reference, 3.3.4 (B5), in the Fed Officials Manual is vague and to the best that I can interpret it.....I'd say the statement is FALSE. Anyone want to give me their take?

rlarry Tue Dec 09, 2008 08:30am

I believe on a long pass or something like that, the lead can signal a three, but that is something discussed by the crew in pre game

jritchie Tue Dec 09, 2008 08:44am

That is a NCAA womens mechanic, but yes on a fast break the Lead can signal that it is a 3 try until the Trail can pick it up and then the Lead goes back to their normal court coverage!

mj Tue Dec 09, 2008 08:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by imaref (Post 556597)
In 3-Person.....Does the Lead official have three-point try responsibilities from the near sideline corner to the near free-throw line extended?
I think this is a FALSE statement.

3 person mechanics test #53. The answer key lists it as true and the reference as 3.3.4.B.3.

That said I will not put True. The question does not say 'in transition'. Also if you are in transition, it wouldn't just be the Lead's responsibility up until the free-throw line. It would probably go up even higher on the three-point arc.

Scooby Tue Dec 09, 2008 09:07am

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Originally Posted by mj (Post 556606)
3 person mechanics test #53. The answer key lists it as true and the reference as 3.3.4.B.3.

That said I will not put True. The question does not say 'in transition'. Also if you are in transition, it wouldn't just be the Lead's responsibility up until the free-throw line. It would probably go up even higher on the three-point arc.


Agreed.

JRutledge Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:04am

Mechanics are guides they are not absolutes in most situations. This is not the primary responsibility of the Lead, but could be a secondary coverage for the Lead if need be. This is something mostly common in transition where the Lead is much closer to the ball and has a much better angle. But this would mostly be a rare situation to be used.

Peace

mick Tue Dec 09, 2008 10:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by imaref (Post 556597)
Mechanics change year-to-year ("move to improve").....but Fed changes only occur every two years....however, state associations can include their adaptations, if they choose. Here's my question:

In 3-Person.....Does the Lead official have three-point try responsibilities from the near sideline corner to the near free-throw line extended?
I think this is a FALSE statement.

However, some claim it's TRUE because mechanically, crews pre-game the sitch as Lead will assist C or T "in transition". The reference, 3.3.4 (B5), in the Fed Officials Manual is vague and to the best that I can interpret it.....I'd say the statement is FALSE. Anyone want to give me their take?

Lead has no primary responsibility outside the arc.

Rich Tue Dec 09, 2008 12:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mj (Post 556606)
3 person mechanics test #53. The answer key lists it as true and the reference as 3.3.4.B.3.

That said I will not put True. The question does not say 'in transition'. Also if you are in transition, it wouldn't just be the Lead's responsibility up until the free-throw line. It would probably go up even higher on the three-point arc.

The key?

I like how I have to fill out a bubble form for the same test we completed last year. :)

Rufus Tue Dec 09, 2008 02:40pm

This is interesting because I did my first varsity game of the season (working a schedule heavy on 2-man sub-varsity with some 3-man varsity mixed in). I've got two separate court-coverage charts, one showing lead having primary coverage of this area, one showing the primary coverage area ending at the 3-point arc.

I asked my partners how they would call it as they've done 3-man more than I have and they suggested that you be aware of (i.e., secondary coverage) the shot deep in the corner (agreeing, I think, with the discussion here so far), but don't get caught out there if the action swings back quickly to the interior. They also suggested that you indicate a three-point shot, make sure it's picked up by C or T, then drop it without indicating a good basket.

Scrapper1 Wed Dec 10, 2008 09:20am

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Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 556741)
They also suggested that you indicate a three-point shot, make sure it's picked up by C or T, then drop it without indicating a good basket.

My personal preference, but if I indicate a 3-point attempt -- even from the Lead -- I'm putting up the touchdown signal.

Raymond Wed Dec 10, 2008 10:44am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 556970)
My personal preference, but if I indicate a 3-point attempt -- even from the Lead -- I'm putting up the touchdown signal.

I'm not...I give the 3 signal to help my partners but I'm not signalling the successful attempt. I getting my eyes down and in the paint for rebounding action.

mick Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:02am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 556988)
I'm not...I give the 3 signal to help my partners but I'm not signalling the successful attempt. I getting my eyes down and in the paint for rebounding action.

I try to follow the recommended mechanic, also.

Scrapper1 Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:37am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 556988)
I'm not...I give the 3 signal to help my partners but I'm not signalling the successful attempt. I getting my eyes down and in the paint for rebounding action.

What rebounding? It's a successful attempt. And even if there is rebounding action, you can't do both? :confused: Wouldn't you do both if you were the T or C? What am I missing? What's the connection? Why can't I stop asking questions?

Scrapper1 Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:39am

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 556996)
I try to follow the recommended mechanic, also.

I think that it is the recommended mechanic to give the TD signal, once you have given the attempt signal, regardless of your position on the floor.

mick Wed Dec 10, 2008 11:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 557010)
I think that it is the recommended mechanic to give the TD signal, once you have given the attempt signal, regardless of your position on the floor.

I think that's just 2-whistle, where the Lead actually scores the three.


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