Traveling?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

In summary ... a player who is dribbling jumps, off of one foot, gathers the ball in the air and lands on two feet (jump stop) they have no pivot from that point. They can jump to shoot or pass.

If the player caught the ball on the pass, land on two feet (jump stop) ... they can pivot from that position as well as dribble, shoot, pass ...

No...if they gather the ball in the air and land on two feet, they can establish a pivot. If they gather the ball with one foot on the floor, then jump off it and land on two feet, they cannot establish a pivot.

Edit: Whether they were dribbling or receiving a pass is not important (outside of whether they can dribble after the jump stop). The important part is that this is particular way a player can move that is not traveling.

[Scratch85]

The Jump Stop is hard for me to catch. Someone line this out for me. Player is dribbling and picks up the ball while only his right foot(1) is touching the floor steps onto his left(2) foot and jumps, comes down with both feet(3) simultaneously hitting the floor. Is this a legal Jump Stop or a travel?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

The Jump Stop is hard for me to catch. Someone line this out for me. Player is dribbling and picks up the ball while only his right foot(1) is touching the floor steps onto his left(2) foot and jumps, comes down with both feet(3) simultaneously hitting the floor. Is this a legal Jump Stop or a travel?

That is a travel.

There are two ways a true jump stop happens:

(1) The player is in the air when he gathers the ball. He then lands on one foot. He jumps off that foot and lands on both feet simultaneously. For example, he lands on his right foot, jumps off it and lands with both feet.

(2) The player gathers the ball with one foot on the ground. He then jumps off that foot and lands on both feet simultaneously. For example, he is standing on his left foot when he catches the ball, jumps off it and lands on both feet simultaneously.

I hope this is clear (as mud).

[Scratch85]

That is clear, thanks for the confirmation. Fortunately, that is how I call it. I use the 1,2,3 touches of the floor after picking up the ball as my indicator. However, I see this missed at the HS level a lot. Something about coming down on both feet seems to freeze the official.

Nothing worse than an official with cold feet!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

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And I doubt it was called in the NCAA tournament last season - at least not purposefully. If an NCAA official called it, he likely saw something else...

I believe this year's NCAA video has several examples of incorrectly called travelling violations, all from last year's tournament. I know for a fact there is at least one in there b/c it was made by one of my mentors.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

That is a travel.

There are two ways a true jump stop happens:

(1) The player is in the air when he gathers the ball. He then lands on one foot. He jumps off that foot and lands on both feet simultaneously. For example, he lands on his right foot, jumps off it and lands with both feet.

(2) The player gathers the ball with one foot on the ground. He then jumps off that foot and lands on both feet simultaneously. For example, he is standing on his left foot when he catches the ball, jumps off it and lands on both feet simultaneously.

I hope this is clear (as mud).

Agreed. Note however that coaches / players and the NCAA also include "Gathering the ball in the air and landing on both feet simultaneously" as a Jump Stop. In this case, either foot can be the pivot foot.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Agreed. Note however that coaches / players and the NCAA also include "Gathering the ball in the air and landing on both feet simultaneously" as a Jump Stop. In this case, either foot can be the pivot foot.

Yep. One of the reasons this is complicated is that the "jump stop" as taught in many basketball programs is simply landing on both feet simultaneously. Meanwhile, the "Jump Stop" as defined includes jumping off one foot after the ball has been gathered, then landing on both feet simultaneously.

Thanks for pointing that out, bob.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Scratch85

The Jump Stop is hard for me to catch. Someone line this out for me. Player is dribbling and picks up the ball while only his right foot(1) is touching the floor steps onto his left(2) foot and jumps, comes down with both feet(3) simultaneously hitting the floor. Is this a legal Jump Stop or a travel?

Travel. Read 4-traveling, apply it to the situation you describe and it will become clear.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

No...if they gather the ball in the air and land on two feet, they can establish a pivot. If they gather the ball with one foot on the floor, then jump off it and land on two feet, they cannot establish a pivot.

Thanks for clearing that up. The second part: If they gather the ball with one foot on the floor, then jump off it and land on two feet, they cannot establish a pivot ... IMO ... This is rarely seen.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

Thanks for clearing that up. The second part: If they gather the ball with one foot on the floor, then jump off it and land on two feet, they cannot establish a pivot ... IMO ... This is rarely seen.

IMO it is seen quite often, especially the higher the level of play. It's just that many officials think it looks funny and call it.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

IMO it is seen quite often, especially the higher the level of play. It's just that many officials think it looks funny and call it.

You guys have lost me on this ... maybe in the way it is described. I am a former Div. I point guard (mid major) and now a high school varsity ref ...

I don't ever remember having the ball with my pivot on the floor and jumping to a jump stop. And don't recall seeing it hardly ever.

Now, obviously jumping off one foot gathering the ball in the air and landing on two feet is done very often.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

You guys have lost me on this ... maybe in the way it is described. I am a former Div. I point guard (mid major) and now a high school varsity ref ...

I don't ever remember having the ball with my pivot on the floor and jumping to a jump stop. And don't recall seeing it hardly ever.

Now, obviously jumping off one foot gathering the ball in the air and landing on two feet is done very often.

You'll see it a lot in drives into the lane. That's where I see it most often. A player will gather and jump off one foot past a defender, land on both, and then go up for the shot.

Another place it is used sometimes is in catching a ball and squaring to shoot on the perimeter.

[Johnny Ringo]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

Another place it is used sometimes is in catching a ball and squaring to shoot on the perimeter.

Excellent example ... I do see this all of the time! And it is called a lot by officials as a violation.

And to confirm this play is different and legal ... correct:
if they gather the ball in the air and land on two feet, they can establish a pivot.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo

And to confirm this play is different and legal ... correct:
if they gather the ball in the air and land on two feet, they can establish a pivot.

Correct.