4 T's in Season opener

[Back In The Saddle]

While I do agree that allowing 6 players on the court is a failure on the part of the crew, this is early season basketball. Stuff is going to happen. Give them another week and they'll stop doing most of the stupid stuff (the kids and the crew).

[Adam]

I disagree that 6 on the court is necessarily a failure of the crew. There are times it happens in spite of the best game management. As for the rest; don't worry about it. Sometimes you have games like that.

I'll be surprised if I have a backboard slapper or a ring grabber all season; let alone both, let alone both in one game. You can't prevent that stuff; and 99 times out of 100, you can't prevent the ball slamming either.

One thing you should never do is consider your game less than successful because of the number of Ts.

[Back In The Saddle]

Okay, you have a point. I'll revise my statement. Allowing 6 players on the court is nearly always a failure on the part of the crew.

If you hang around here long enough you'll hear stories o'plenty about weird situations where the 6th player got there despite the crew's efforts. But in my real life, I've never had a 6th player that I didn't miss. And, in my real life, I've never seen a 6th player that wasn't just missed by the crew.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Okay, you have a point. I'll revise my statement. Allowing 6 players on the court is nearly always a failure on the part of the crew.

If you hang around here long enough you'll hear stories o'plenty about weird situations where the 6th player got there despite the crew's efforts. But in my real life, I've never had a 6th player that I didn't miss. And, in my real life, I've never seen a 6th player that wasn't just missed by the crew.

But it's still a coaching failure, not an officiating failure.

[Caesar's Ghost]

While sometimes things happen out of the blue sometimes they can be prevented by dealing with minor aggressions early. For example if people were showing disapproval with calls early a word to the player or captain may prevent the ball spike later.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Caesar's Ghost

While sometimes things happen out of the blue sometimes they can be prevented by dealing with minor aggressions early. For example if people were showing disapproval with calls early a word to the player or captain may prevent the ball spike later.

Sometimes it happens this way, sometimes they go from zero to sixty in 2 seconds, and sometimes you talk to them and it doesn't help.

I'm only reacting to the insinuation that 4 Ts is a sign of failure.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Okay, you have a point. I'll revise my statement. Allowing 6 players on the court is nearly always a failure on the part of the crew.

If you hang around here long enough you'll hear stories o'plenty about weird situations where the 6th player got there despite the crew's efforts. But in my real life, I've never had a 6th player that I didn't miss. And, in my real life, I've never seen a 6th player that wasn't just missed by the crew.

If making sure 10 players (and only 10) are on the court were as much the officials' responsibility as you make it out to be, I'm sure it wouldn't be a technical foul.

Allowing 6 players on the court is as much of a failure by the crew as not making sure the foul count is even. We're supposed to call the game fairly, but it's the coaches' jobs to make sure their players aren't fouling and have the right number of players on the court. That's why THEY get the technical, not US.

[Scooby]

It is the responsibility of the officials to ensure that there are five players from each team on the floor before the ball is put into play. Do others also have responsibilities...yes, but that does not eliminate or reduce the official’s responsibilities.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Scooby

It is the responsibility of the officials to ensure that there are five players from each team on the floor before the ball is put into play. Do others also have responsibilities...yes, but that does not eliminate or reduce the official’s responsibilities.

Then explain to me why the committee still considers this a T.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Then explain to me why the committee still considers this a T.

Officials are supposed to check to be sure the correct spots are occipied before administering a FT -- but if they don't, it's still a violaiton (or a double violation).

Officials are supposed to check that the correct number of players are in the book, but if they don't and a player is added, it's still a T.

IOW, officials are responsible for managing the game. Teams are responsible for complying with the rules. Sometimes the responsibiities look the same.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Scooby

It is the responsibility of the officials to ensure that there are five players from each team on the floor before the ball is put into play.

Not according to the rule book it's not.

You're talking about a mechanic. That's wholly different than a "responsibility."

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by fiasco

If making sure 10 players (and only 10) are on the court were as much the officials' responsibility as you make it out to be, I'm sure it wouldn't be a technical foul.

Allowing 6 players on the court is as much of a failure by the crew as not making sure the foul count is even. We're supposed to call the game fairly, but it's the coaches' jobs to make sure their players aren't fouling and have the right number of players on the court. That's why THEY get the technical, not US.

Yep. By the book it is ultimately the coach's responsibility to ensure he has exactly five players on the floor. Or is it? It sounds to me like you're saying 6 players = T to coach = coach's responsibility. Only it isn't a coach T, it's a team T.

Nevertheless, every assigner I've ever worked for, and every assigner that I hope to work for, isn't interested in the coach's culpability in this situation. If my crew allows 6 players when we could have prevented it, WE catch hell for it. That's reality.

There's a lot to this job that isn't spelled out in the rules book. That doesn't make it any less our job nor absolve us of the responsibility when things go wrong because we didn't do our job.

[mbyron]

My first game of the season last Friday, I held up my partners twice because one team had 6 on the floor. Got the thumbs up for that.

It was my first varsity game, too.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by mbyron

My first game of the season last Friday, I held up my partners twice because one team had 6 on the floor.

Good awareness.

It was my first varsity game, too.

That gets an ATTABOY!!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'll be surprised if I have a backboard slapper or a ring grabber all season

I had a ring grabber in a 6th grade boys rec game quite a while ago. He was Maurice Lucas' son. Not kidding.