Who is writing this stuff?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

States: "Three minutes before the game starts, it is discovered: (b) two Team B team members are wearing the same number. RULING: In (b), a technical foul is charged to Team B upon discovery of the identical numbers. Only one team member may wear a given number; the other must change to a number not already in use before participating. (R10-S1-A2)"

Therefore, the RULING in 2008-09 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretation SITUATION 2(b) and (c) is incorrect. The Casebook Play has been in effect since before the NFHS and NCAA adopted the either "0" or "00" but not both rule. When the NFHS and NCAA adopted the either "0" or "00" but not both rule, "0" and "00" were to be considered the same number because, as I stated in my earlier history lesson regarding reason for the rule's adoption computers could and I suppose they still cannot tell the difference between "0" and "00".

So ends tonight history lesson.

MTD, Sr.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

States: "Three minutes before the game starts, it is discovered: (b) two Team B team members are wearing the same number. RULING: In (b), a technical foul is charged to Team B upon discovery of the identical numbers. Only one team member may wear a given number; the other must change to a number not already in use before participating. (R10-S1-A2)"

Therefore, the RULING in 2008-09 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretation SITUATION 2(b) and (c) is incorrect. The Casebook Play has been in effect since before the NFHS and NCAA adopted the either "0" or "00" but not both rule. When the NFHS and NCAA adopted the either "0" or "00" but not both rule, "0" and "00" were to be considered the same number because, as I stated in my earlier history lesson regarding reason for the rule's adoption computers could and I suppose they still cannot tell the difference between "0" and "00".

So ends tonight history lesson.

MTD, Sr.

I don't quite agree. 0 and 00 may be the same mathematical number but they are "different". So, there is some wiggle room for both items to be correct.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I don't quite agree. 0 and 00 may be the same mathematical number but they are "different". So, there is some wiggle room for both items to be correct.

Camron:

In all of the rules clinics that I attended when the rule was first adopted, the reason given was that since a computer cannot tell the difference between "0" and "00" the rules committees considered them the same number just like the computer does. Either way, the RULING in the Rules Interpretations is incorrect and the Casebook Play RULING is correct.

MTD, Sr.

[Nevadaref]

I was going to comment in the OP that I believe that the 0, 00 situation on the same member list should be treated in the same manner as identical numbers even though they are not.

Of course, now that I know that MTD holds this position, I'll have to reconsider.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

States: "Three minutes before the game starts, it is discovered: (b) two Team B team members are wearing the same number. RULING: In (b), a technical foul is charged to Team B upon discovery of the identical numbers. Only one team member may wear a given number; the other must change to a number not already in use before participating. (R10-S1-A2)"

I don't have my books on me but why is it a T for 2 members to wear the same number 3 minutes before the game starts...or before both players participate in the game for that matter? It doesn't necessarily mean that identical numbers are in the book for those players.

What is the wording of rule 10-1-2?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

What is the wording of rule 10-1-2?

10-1-2e: (After the 10 minute mark...) Have identical numbers on team members and/or players.

My take:

While having both 0 and 00 on the team member list is a violation of 3-4-3d, there's no penalty listed in that section.

0 and 00 are not identical. The second becomes illegal only when that player enters the game -- and it's then charged to the coach. (10-5-4)

Suppose the roster had a number 66 on it (or one team member put a "memorial patch" with a number on it on his/her uniform). Would we penalize immediately? No -- only when (if) that player entered. Same with 0 an 00.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

10-1-2e: (After the 10 minute mark...) Have identical numbers on team members and/or players.

My take:

While having both 0 and 00 on the team member list is a violation of 3-4-3d, there's no penalty listed in that section.

0 and 00 are not identical. The second becomes illegal only when that player enters the game -- and it's then charged to the coach. (10-5-4)

Suppose the roster had a number 66 on it (or one team member put a "memorial patch" with a number on it on his/her uniform). Would we penalize immediately? No -- only when (if) that player entered. Same with 0 an 00.

Yep.

Peace

[CoachP]

10-15 players, 35 numbers to pick from.....just remove 0 and 00 from the list of legal numbers? How many 0 or 00's do you guys really see out there?

In 14 years, I've seen 0 once.

Not counting the one JV girl game where she was a 10 the first half and came out as a 0 for the second. (The iron-on 1 fell off). The official had us do the white athletic tape trick to make a 1.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by CoachP

10-15 players, 35 numbers to pick from.....just remove 0 and 00 from the list of legal numbers? How many 0 or 00's do you guys really see out there?

In 14 years, I've seen 0 once.

Not counting the one JV girl game where she was a 10 the first half and came out as a 0 for the second. (The iron-on 1 fell off). The official had us do the white athletic tape trick to make a 1.

I have seen the number multiple times over the years. You do not see them every game, but you see them or even every season, but you will see them from time to time. And how many times we see the number is really not relevant if you ask me. This is allowed and we deal with it.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Suppose the roster had a number 66 on it ...
Would we penalize immediately?

Is there a specific rule prohibiting the team member list from containing the number 66?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Is there a specific rule prohibiting the team member list from containing the number 66?

yes

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

yes

Really? Please provide the citation.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

yes

My bad. I thought you were asking a rhetorical question. The point is that 0 and 00, while both legal numbers, are specifically forbidden from being on the same list. Other illegal number are not specifically forbidden from the list.
Is that the point? IOW, is it ok for a player to wear 66 every night, so long as he doesn't play?

[AKOFL]

Nice number, No playing time!!!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

My bad. I thought you were asking a rhetorical question. The point is that 0 and 00, while both legal numbers, are specifically forbidden from being on the same list. Other illegal number are not specifically forbidden from the list.
Is that the point? IOW, is it ok for a player to wear 66 every night, so so long as he doesn't play?

Exactly. You have correctly comprehended the situation.