3-Person Mechanics Questions

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by mick
We don't have assignors.
I don't know if they even know how to officiate.
mick
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Say what?

[mick]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Say what? [/B]

We don't have assignors.
I don't know if they even know how to officiate.
mick

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by Self
Womens D1 stays table side on fouls, I believe.

No - that was an experimental change for a few games at the beginning of this past season.

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by mick


Rut,
dj said he was into the book already. In addition those campers are gonna get the nuances of 3-man:

Where exactly is the trail on a free throw

Banging in the post

Blarges

Eye contact

Crossing over and push/pulling your partner

Hold your signal on a double-blow

Being a slow Center

Where to go when your partner is lost

Some of that stuff ain't in the book.
mick
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Well Mick I understand that. I just think there are so many differences that the more and more I think of it, the more and more I come up with something different between the two as it relates to mechanics. And I agree that there are many things that are not in the book, but that just goes to your basic philosophy about officiating and how to handle those situations. Those philosophies do not necessarily have a level. I use some of those same ideals at all the levels I do. But for the purposes of learning different mechanics between the two, I think combing the NF Official's Manual is the best thing. There really is not that much there to not make a distiction in my opinion.

Peace

[rockyroad]

OK, I spent about 2 hours with my NF Mechanics book last night...rules differences aside (I am ok with those) I can only find a couple of mechanics differences...1)Last second shot in NF is either T or C, whichever is opposite the table (NCAA Women's is ALWAYS C)...2) the coverage area for who has the ball is different - L has a smaller are of court to call...other than that, it seems pretty much the same as far as mechanics and rotations and such...am I missing something here??

[mick]

Originally posted by rockyroad
OK, I spent about 2 hours with my NF Mechanics book last night...rules differences aside (I am ok with those) I can only find a couple of mechanics differences...1)Last second shot in NF is either T or C, whichever is opposite the table (NCAA Women's is ALWAYS C)...2) the coverage area for who has the ball is different - L has a smaller are of court to call...other than that, it seems pretty much the same as far as mechanics and rotations and such...am I missing something here??

How about:
Stop clock signal, preliminary signal and bird dogging a foul.
Just clearing the players vs. foul reporting area.

[rockyroad]

Right - I am ok with all of those also...still around the HS game enough to handle those things...guess my main concerns were with the floor stuff...anything I missed there?

[mick]

Originally posted by rockyroad
Right - I am ok with all of those also...still around the HS game enough to handle those things...guess my main concerns were with the floor stuff...anything I missed there?

Shucks, DJ, yer close enough.
Have fun with it.
mick

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by rockyroad
OK, I spent about 2 hours with my NF Mechanics book last night...rules differences aside (I am ok with those) I can only find a couple of mechanics differences...1)Last second shot in NF is either T or C, whichever is opposite the table (NCAA Women's is ALWAYS C)...2) the coverage area for who has the ball is different - L has a smaller are of court to call...other than that, it seems pretty much the same as far as mechanics and rotations and such...am I missing something here??

Rotations are completely different. In NCAA Women's you are suppose to rotate when the ball crosses the middle of the court. In NF you are suppose to to rotate when the ball is below FT line extended and the ball has settled to some extent. Even the NCAA Men's does not rotate at the same rate as NCAA Women's. That is why the coverage area is so different. You have to rotate more in CCA Women's Mechanics to maintain the coverage area. You have a wider area in Women's mechanics. You have the 3 point line, out of bounds on the sideline and in general a more extended area. In NF mechanics, you basically have the post.

Really only the NF Mechanics and the CCA Men's Mechanics are much more inline. CCA Women's is another world.

Peace

[rockyroad]

That's funny...after reading the Fed book for quite a while, and working the CCa Women's for quite a while, I don't see all those differences you say they are...oh well...

[JRutledge]

Originally posted by rockyroad
That's funny...after reading the Fed book for quite a while, and working the CCa Women's for quite a while, I don't see all those differences you say they are...oh well...

Look at the rotation principles in both. The NF clearly has a different philosophy than the CCA Women's one. CCA Women's and the NBA are almost identical in the mechanics as it relates to coverage. NF and CCA Men's is almost identical too.

Look in NF you never signal a 3 point shot attempt in a half court situation, you do in NF Men's. The last second shot is always the opposite the table, either the T or C no matter what in NF. The C is the official that has the last second shot in CCA Women's. No long switches in NF Mehanics, I believe CCA Women's you still do that. CCA Men's wants you to long switch. All you have to look is at the primary coverages in both manuals and it will all be clear. They design them to be totally different so those that officials will be committed to one or the other.

I have all 3 of the manuals in front of me, I would not be trying to stear you wrong.

Peace

[rockyroad]

I think we are saying the same things...as I posted earlier, the major differences I see are the L's floor coverage and the last second shot responsibilties...isn't that what you are saying also?? Thanks for the input, Jeff.

[Tim Roden]

One more mechanic missing from woman's ball is trail chops clock when lead administers throw in. Good luck.

I just got back from camp where the top guy for the state of Texas in basketball officiating was present. He is looking at developing a three man certification system so he knows who can call three man from a given area in the playoffs. No Cert, no playoffs.

[mick]

Originally posted by Tim Roden
One more mechanic missing from woman's ball is trail chops clock when lead administers throw in. Good luck.

I just got back from camp where the top guy for the state of Texas in basketball officiating was present. He is looking at developing a three man certification system so he knows who can call three man from a given area in the playoffs. No Cert, no playoffs.

Tim,
Could that be opposite, or Center, chops on an end line throw-in?
mick

[Tim Roden]

I'm pretter sure it was trail. I have watched several college womans games over the last year and was watching at a woman's camp when the mechanic was introduced. I might be wrong but I don't think so.