3-Person Mechanics Questions

rockyroad

Our local HS (or at least some of them) will be switching to 3-person mechanics for next season...we have a mini-camp coming up the first of June and I am one of the camp "staff" who will be teaching the 3-person stuff...I am very familiar with NCAA Women's mechanics, but not Fed 3-person...can someone who knows both point out the major differences and similiarities to me...and yes, I have the Fed Officials Manual and am reading it - so far the only difference I have seen is a minor change in court coverage between the L and T (NCAA Women's the L has a bigger area of court to be picking up the ball)...any others I am missing? Thanks for the input...

Mark Dexter

The only difference I can think of offhand is the lockdown/last second shot responsibility. NCAA women's has no rotation in last 30 seconds and gives last shot call to the C. NF has rotations and last shot goes to whoever is opposite the table (C/T).

Of course, some NF associations follow the lockdown procedure, so it's best to check.

mick

dj,
I would look at these:

• Primary coverage

• Long switches

• Last shot responsibility

• Points of contact in the post

• Two count for handcheck

• Shot clock

• 10 second count

• 5 second count

• 3 second Foot on the lane line

• Proper approved signals

• Adminstration of throw-ins

• Coaching area

• Technical fouls

mick

[Edited by mick on May 23rd, 2002 at 12:05 PM]

rockyroad

Thanks guys...Mick - what's the 2 count for handcheck? Does that mean you actually count two seconds before calling handchecking??? And if so, is that a Michigan interp?

Self

Womens D1 stays table side on fouls, I believe.

mick

Originally posted by rockyroad
Thanks guys...Mick - what's the 2 count for handcheck? Does that mean you actually count two seconds before calling handchecking??? And if so, is that a Michigan interp?

dj,
The two count allows the college player to measure once and then remove.
In high school, no hands (subject to interpretation).😉
mick

mick

...Free throw spots and blocks are different, too. 😉

rockyroad

Gotcha Mick...knew that, but was picturing something entirely different...and Self, that was actually an experimental rule we used only in non-conference games before Jan 1st...thanks for the input!

mick

Originally posted by rockyroad
Gotcha Mick...knew that, but was picturing something entirely different...and Self, that was actually an experimental rule we used only in non-conference games before Jan 1st...thanks for the input!

dj,
So, ...in the interest of sharing information, and in the interest of creating a homogeneous officiating community, I await, with bated breath, your list of the differences between the two levels of ball once you have done all the work for us.
Thanks.
mick

rockyroad

Right...once I figure it all out, it will be time to retire...seriously, I haven't done much HS ball the last few years, but with this change I will probably go back and do some this summer and next season -it should be interesting...

mick

Originally posted by rockyroad
Right...once I figure it all out, it will be time to retire...seriously, I haven't done much HS ball the last few years, but with this change I will probably go back and do some this summer and next season -it should be interesting...

dj,
Well, good luck with it.
The last HS camp, to which I went, had mostly women's officials teaching CCA mechanics. Eventhough they apologized up front that they worked mostly NCAA, they were often corrected, by the campers (...well, okay, by someone I knew) between the differences in the rules and mechanics of these two levels. The camp lost a little credibility as an NFHS camp. Be prepared to help your fellow clinicians if they wander onto the 94' court. 😉
mick

rockyroad

Thanks for the advice Mick...the guy running the camp is the local HS assignor, so he will keep us on the "straight and narrow"...

mick

Originally posted by rockyroad
Thanks for the advice Mick...the guy running the camp is the local HS assignor, so he will keep us on the "straight and narrow"...

We don't have assignors.
I don't know if they even know how to officiate.
mick

JRutledge

Originally posted by rockyroad
Our local HS (or at least some of them) will be switching to 3-person mechanics for next season...we have a mini-camp coming up the first of June and I am one of the camp "staff" who will be teaching the 3-person stuff...I am very familiar with NCAA Women's mechanics, but not Fed 3-person...can someone who knows both point out the major differences and similiarities to me...and yes, I have the Fed Officials Manual and am reading it - so far the only difference I have seen is a minor change in court coverage between the L and T (NCAA Women's the L has a bigger area of court to be picking up the ball)...any others I am missing? Thanks for the input...

DJ

You almost have to throw out everything and just buy or research the NF Official's Manual. It is totally different in about every way.

Whether it be rotations, coverage, or just simply who has the last second shot, it is all different. I think you guys just need to read heavily the NF Mechanics book. Most of what you need to know is there.

Peace

mick

Originally posted by JRutledge

You almost have to throw out everything and just buy or research the NF Official's Manual. It is totally different in about every way.

Whether it be rotations, coverage, or just simply who has the last second shot, it is all different. I think you guys just need to read heavily the NF Mechanics book. Most of what you need to know is there.

Peace

Rut,
dj said he was into the book already. In addition those campers are gonna get the nuances of 3-man:

• Where exactly is the trail on a free throw

• Banging in the post

• Blarges

• Eye contact

• Crossing over and push/pulling your partner

• Hold your signal on a double-blow

• Being a slow Center

• Where to go when your partner is lost

Some of that stuff ain't in the book.
mick

Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by mick
We don't have assignors.
I don't know if they even know how to officiate.
mick
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Say what?

mick

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

Originally posted by mick
We don't have assignors.
I don't know if they even know how to officiate.
mick

Say what? [/B]

We don't have assignors.
I don't know if they even know how to officiate.
mick

Mark Dexter

Originally posted by Self
Womens D1 stays table side on fouls, I believe.

No - that was an experimental change for a few games at the beginning of this past season.

JRutledge

Originally posted by mick

Rut,
dj said he was into the book already. In addition those campers are gonna get the nuances of 3-man:

• Where exactly is the trail on a free throw

• Banging in the post

• Blarges

• Eye contact

• Crossing over and push/pulling your partner

• Hold your signal on a double-blow

• Being a slow Center

• Where to go when your partner is lost

Some of that stuff ain't in the book.
mick
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Well Mick I understand that. I just think there are so many differences that the more and more I think of it, the more and more I come up with something different between the two as it relates to mechanics. And I agree that there are many things that are not in the book, but that just goes to your basic philosophy about officiating and how to handle those situations. Those philosophies do not necessarily have a level. I use some of those same ideals at all the levels I do. But for the purposes of learning different mechanics between the two, I think combing the NF Official's Manual is the best thing. There really is not that much there to not make a distiction in my opinion.

Peace

rockyroad

OK, I spent about 2 hours with my NF Mechanics book last night...rules differences aside (I am ok with those) I can only find a couple of mechanics differences...1)Last second shot in NF is either T or C, whichever is opposite the table (NCAA Women's is ALWAYS C)...2) the coverage area for who has the ball is different - L has a smaller are of court to call...other than that, it seems pretty much the same as far as mechanics and rotations and such...am I missing something here??