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Old Thu May 23, 2002, 11:28am
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Our local HS (or at least some of them) will be switching to 3-person mechanics for next season...we have a mini-camp coming up the first of June and I am one of the camp "staff" who will be teaching the 3-person stuff...I am very familiar with NCAA Women's mechanics, but not Fed 3-person...can someone who knows both point out the major differences and similiarities to me...and yes, I have the Fed Officials Manual and am reading it - so far the only difference I have seen is a minor change in court coverage between the L and T (NCAA Women's the L has a bigger area of court to be picking up the ball)...any others I am missing? Thanks for the input...

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Old Thu May 23, 2002, 11:50am
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The only difference I can think of offhand is the lockdown/last second shot responsibility. NCAA women's has no rotation in last 30 seconds and gives last shot call to the C. NF has rotations and last shot goes to whoever is opposite the table (C/T).

Of course, some NF associations follow the lockdown procedure, so it's best to check.
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Old Thu May 23, 2002, 12:01pm
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I would look at these:

  • Primary coverage
  • Long switches
  • Last shot responsibility
  • Points of contact in the post
  • Two count for handcheck
  • Shot clock
  • 10 second count
  • 5 second count
  • 3 second Foot on the lane line
  • Proper approved signals
  • Adminstration of throw-ins
  • Coaching area
  • Technical fouls

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    Old Thu May 23, 2002, 01:24pm
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    Thanks guys...Mick - what's the 2 count for handcheck? Does that mean you actually count two seconds before calling handchecking??? And if so, is that a Michigan interp?
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    Old Thu May 23, 2002, 01:44pm
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    Stays table side on fouls

    Womens D1 stays table side on fouls, I believe.
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    Old Thu May 23, 2002, 02:16pm
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    Thanks guys...Mick - what's the 2 count for handcheck? Does that mean you actually count two seconds before calling handchecking??? And if so, is that a Michigan interp?
    dj,
    The two count allows the college player to measure once and then remove.
    In high school, no hands (subject to interpretation).
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    Old Thu May 23, 2002, 02:24pm
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    Lightbulb Oh yeah....

    ...Free throw spots and blocks are different, too.
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    Old Thu May 23, 2002, 02:39pm
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    Gotcha Mick...knew that, but was picturing something entirely different...and Self, that was actually an experimental rule we used only in non-conference games before Jan 1st...thanks for the input!
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    Old Thu May 23, 2002, 02:45pm
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    Gotcha Mick...knew that, but was picturing something entirely different...and Self, that was actually an experimental rule we used only in non-conference games before Jan 1st...thanks for the input!
    dj,
    So, ...in the interest of sharing information, and in the interest of creating a homogeneous officiating community, I await, with bated breath, your list of the differences between the two levels of ball once you have done all the work for us.
    Thanks.
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    Old Thu May 23, 2002, 03:05pm
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    Right...once I figure it all out, it will be time to retire...seriously, I haven't done much HS ball the last few years, but with this change I will probably go back and do some this summer and next season -it should be interesting...
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    Old Thu May 23, 2002, 03:24pm
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    Right...once I figure it all out, it will be time to retire...seriously, I haven't done much HS ball the last few years, but with this change I will probably go back and do some this summer and next season -it should be interesting...
    dj,
    Well, good luck with it.
    The last HS camp, to which I went, had mostly women's officials teaching CCA mechanics. Eventhough they apologized up front that they worked mostly NCAA, they were often corrected, by the campers (...well, okay, by someone I knew) between the differences in the rules and mechanics of these two levels. The camp lost a little credibility as an NFHS camp. Be prepared to help your fellow clinicians if they wander onto the 94' court.
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    Old Thu May 23, 2002, 03:57pm
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    Thanks for the advice Mick...the guy running the camp is the local HS assignor, so he will keep us on the "straight and narrow"...
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    Old Thu May 23, 2002, 04:01pm
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    Thanks for the advice Mick...the guy running the camp is the local HS assignor, so he will keep us on the "straight and narrow"...
    We don't have assignors.
    I don't know if they even know how to officiate.
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    Old Thu May 23, 2002, 04:36pm
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    Originally posted by rockyroad
    Our local HS (or at least some of them) will be switching to 3-person mechanics for next season...we have a mini-camp coming up the first of June and I am one of the camp "staff" who will be teaching the 3-person stuff...I am very familiar with NCAA Women's mechanics, but not Fed 3-person...can someone who knows both point out the major differences and similiarities to me...and yes, I have the Fed Officials Manual and am reading it - so far the only difference I have seen is a minor change in court coverage between the L and T (NCAA Women's the L has a bigger area of court to be picking up the ball)...any others I am missing? Thanks for the input...

    DJ
    You almost have to throw out everything and just buy or research the NF Official's Manual. It is totally different in about every way.

    Whether it be rotations, coverage, or just simply who has the last second shot, it is all different. I think you guys just need to read heavily the NF Mechanics book. Most of what you need to know is there.

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    Old Thu May 23, 2002, 05:06pm
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    But, but

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    You almost have to throw out everything and just buy or research the NF Official's Manual. It is totally different in about every way.

    Whether it be rotations, coverage, or just simply who has the last second shot, it is all different. I think you guys just need to read heavily the NF Mechanics book. Most of what you need to know is there.

    Peace
    Rut,
    dj said he was into the book already. In addition those campers are gonna get the nuances of 3-man:
  • Where exactly is the trail on a free throw
  • Banging in the post
  • Blarges
  • Eye contact
  • Crossing over and push/pulling your partner
  • Hold your signal on a double-blow
  • Being a slow Center
  • Where to go when your partner is lost

    Some of that stuff ain't in the book.
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