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rockyroad Thu May 23, 2002 11:28am

Our local HS (or at least some of them) will be switching to 3-person mechanics for next season...we have a mini-camp coming up the first of June and I am one of the camp "staff" who will be teaching the 3-person stuff...I am very familiar with NCAA Women's mechanics, but not Fed 3-person...can someone who knows both point out the major differences and similiarities to me...and yes, I have the Fed Officials Manual and am reading it - so far the only difference I have seen is a minor change in court coverage between the L and T (NCAA Women's the L has a bigger area of court to be picking up the ball)...any others I am missing? Thanks for the input...

DJ

Mark Dexter Thu May 23, 2002 11:50am

The only difference I can think of offhand is the lockdown/last second shot responsibility. NCAA women's has no rotation in last 30 seconds and gives last shot call to the C. NF has rotations and last shot goes to whoever is opposite the table (C/T).

Of course, some NF associations follow the lockdown procedure, so it's best to check.

mick Thu May 23, 2002 12:01pm

dj,
I would look at these:

<li> Primary coverage
<li> Long switches
<li> Last shot responsibility
<li> Points of contact in the post
<li> Two count for handcheck
<li> Shot clock
<li> 10 second count
<li> 5 second count
<li> 3 second Foot on the lane line
<li> Proper approved signals
<li> Adminstration of throw-ins
<li> Coaching area
<li> Technical fouls

mick

[Edited by mick on May 23rd, 2002 at 12:05 PM]

rockyroad Thu May 23, 2002 01:24pm

Thanks guys...Mick - what's the 2 count for handcheck? Does that mean you actually count two seconds before calling handchecking??? And if so, is that a Michigan interp?

Self Thu May 23, 2002 01:44pm

Stays table side on fouls
 
Womens D1 stays table side on fouls, I believe.

mick Thu May 23, 2002 02:16pm

Quote:

Originally posted by rockyroad
Thanks guys...Mick - what's the 2 count for handcheck? Does that mean you actually count two seconds before calling handchecking??? And if so, is that a Michigan interp?
dj,
The two count allows the college player to measure once and then remove.
In high school, no hands (<i>subject to interpretation</i>).;)
mick

mick Thu May 23, 2002 02:24pm

Oh yeah....
 
...Free throw spots and blocks are different, too. ;)

rockyroad Thu May 23, 2002 02:39pm

Gotcha Mick...knew that, but was picturing something entirely different...and Self, that was actually an experimental rule we used only in non-conference games before Jan 1st...thanks for the input!

mick Thu May 23, 2002 02:45pm

Quote:

Originally posted by rockyroad
Gotcha Mick...knew that, but was picturing something entirely different...and Self, that was actually an experimental rule we used only in non-conference games before Jan 1st...thanks for the input!
dj,
So, ...in the interest of sharing information, and in the interest of creating a homogeneous officiating community, I await, with bated breath, your list of the differences between the two levels of ball once you have done all the work for us.
Thanks.
mick

rockyroad Thu May 23, 2002 03:05pm

Right...once I figure it all out, it will be time to retire...seriously, I haven't done much HS ball the last few years, but with this change I will probably go back and do some this summer and next season -it should be interesting...

mick Thu May 23, 2002 03:24pm

Quote:

Originally posted by rockyroad
Right...once I figure it all out, it will be time to retire...seriously, I haven't done much HS ball the last few years, but with this change I will probably go back and do some this summer and next season -it should be interesting...
dj,
Well, good luck with it.
The last HS camp, to which I went, had mostly women's officials teaching CCA mechanics. Eventhough they apologized up front that they worked mostly NCAA, they were often corrected, by the campers (...well, okay, by someone I knew) between the differences in the rules and mechanics of these two levels. The camp lost a little credibility as an NFHS camp. Be prepared to help your fellow clinicians if they wander onto the 94' court. ;)
mick

rockyroad Thu May 23, 2002 03:57pm

Thanks for the advice Mick...the guy running the camp is the local HS assignor, so he will keep us on the "straight and narrow"...

mick Thu May 23, 2002 04:01pm

Quote:

Originally posted by rockyroad
Thanks for the advice Mick...the guy running the camp is the local HS assignor, so he will keep us on the "straight and narrow"...
We don't have assignors.
I don't know if they even know how to officiate.
mick

JRutledge Thu May 23, 2002 04:36pm

NF Official's Manual.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by rockyroad
Our local HS (or at least some of them) will be switching to 3-person mechanics for next season...we have a mini-camp coming up the first of June and I am one of the camp "staff" who will be teaching the 3-person stuff...I am very familiar with NCAA Women's mechanics, but not Fed 3-person...can someone who knows both point out the major differences and similiarities to me...and yes, I have the Fed Officials Manual and am reading it - so far the only difference I have seen is a minor change in court coverage between the L and T (NCAA Women's the L has a bigger area of court to be picking up the ball)...any others I am missing? Thanks for the input...

DJ

You almost have to throw out everything and just buy or research the NF Official's Manual. It is totally different in about every way.

Whether it be rotations, coverage, or just simply who has the last second shot, it is all different. I think you guys just need to read heavily the NF Mechanics book. Most of what you need to know is there.

Peace

mick Thu May 23, 2002 05:06pm

But, but
 
Quote:

Originally posted by JRutledge

You almost have to throw out everything and just buy or research the NF Official's Manual. It is totally different in about every way.

Whether it be rotations, coverage, or just simply who has the last second shot, it is all different. I think you guys just need to read heavily the NF Mechanics book. Most of what you need to know is there.

Peace

Rut,
dj said he was into the book already. In addition those campers are gonna get the nuances of 3-man:
<li>Where exactly is the trail on a free throw
<li>Banging in the post
<li>Blarges
<li>Eye contact
<li>Crossing over and push/pulling your partner
<li>Hold your signal on a double-blow
<li>Being a slow Center
<li>Where to go when your partner is lost

Some of that stuff ain't in the book.
mick


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