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Sorry, but if you don't consider the toss to be a dribble, then the action doesn't meet the definiton of player control. If you do consider the toss to be a dribble, then there is player control, but a player cannot travel during a dribble! Seems that your position is untenable. Last edited by Nevadaref; Thu Nov 13, 2008 at 07:50pm. |
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If a player tosses the ball in the air and catches it then it is not a shot, pass, nor dribble. If a player stands in one spot and tosses the ball up in the air a few times are you can saying he used up his dribble?
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How much do you know about the history of the game? Do you know what an air dribble was?
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Don't remember that one. But I don't doubt there was such an animal. Was it legal or illegal?
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Made legal in 1892, but I don't know the exact year that it was taken out.
BTW dribbling on the floor wasn't legalized until 1898. There is a good description of the air dribble on page 20 of the NFHS Basketball Handbook. "But abuses became evident almost at once. Instead of bouncing the ball on the floor, clever players began to tap the ball upward and tapping it again as it came down in what later was called an "air dribble." Those adept at the trick would tap the ball only a few inches above their finger tips while advancing at full speed all the way into scoring position. There was usually no effective way of stopping this maneuver short of fouling. Soon there were rules limiting the dribble to one air dribble and preventing the resumption of any type of dribble once the player had ended his/her dribble by holding the ball in one or both hands." The point is that this action has historically been considered a dribble. So that's why it is properly an illegal dribble violation. It pays to know your history. |
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Section 4-44 (traveling) pretty well describes many positions where the pivot foot cannot be lifted prior to starting a dribble. In the OP, if the ball hits the floor (close to the dribbler, or 15 feet away and over his opponent's head) before he lifts his pivot foot, it is a legal dribble. We therefore have to wait and see if his pass over the opponent's head is a pass to himself which he catches, i.e., traveling, or if he let's it hit the floor, and then resumes a legal dribble by batting it again to the floor...a legal dribble. I think that 4-44-articles 1-5 describe that well enough..... From the new guy's humble opinion....Bishopcolle |
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4-44-3c: The pivot foot may not be lifted before the ball is released to start a dribble. When the ball hits the floor is not relevant.
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4-31: "A pass is movement of the ball caused by a player who throws, bats or rolls the ball to another player." As I already welcomed you in another thread, I'll just advise you now to stick around as we'll make you a lot better with the rules. |
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Very true, and I totally agree....you are spot on, as they say....I guess what I meant to say is that when he releases the ball over the head of the opponent and THEN lifts his pivot foot, we need to see if the ball bounces and starts the dribble or if he catches it, making that a traveling violation....Good catch Just Another Ref!
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The bottom line is this is a way over thought issue. This is not something that is likely going to happen in the first place. This is not something that you will even see attempted. And trying to make an issue out of a very minor or unusual "conflict" is just futile. Then again, what else is new?
Even if you call a travel or do not call a travel in these situations, no one is going to know you got it right or wrong unless they really spend the time to look up a very unusual situation. We know (well not everyone here) that is not going to be from coaches. They think anything unusual is a traveling even when it is supported by rule (e.g. Jump Stops). Peace
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