Start Clock or Not

[som44]

If a throw-in by team A is intentionally kicked by a player on team B would you start the clock upon team B's touching? I realize this would only be only for a very very short time but should any time run off the clock.

How do you define... the clock should be started when the ball touches, or is legally touched by, a player on the court after it is released by the thrower..

The throw-in does not end in this case but does the clock start?

[grunewar]

I believe 5.9.4 says the clock does start. Yes?

[Adam]

If the clock runs ever so briefly in this case, you cannot "fix" it because no mistake has been made.
If it does not start, you cannot "fix" it because you have no way of knowing "how much" time should come off.

[som44]

My problem is in the definition of " touches or is legally touched" it seems in this case you would start the clock because the ball was touched yet in the same situation a throw-in would not end because the ball was not legally touched. Maybe I am just over thinking this? What am I missing?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by som44

My problem is in the definition of " touches or is legally touched" it seems in this case you would start the clock because the ball was touched yet in the same situation a throw-in would not end because the ball was not legally touched. Maybe I am just over thinking this? What am I missing?

You're correct. The clock should start on the touch, and immediately stop on the violation. Theoretically, no time should run off.

In practice, some time should run off.

[Nevadaref]

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
You're correct. The clock should start on the touch, and immediately stop on the violation. Theoretically, no time should run off.

In practice, some time should run off.

NO! This was part of our discussion of the rule change last season. A player intentionally kicking the ball during a throw-in is NOT a legal touch, and the clock should not start.

If any time does come off the clock, this is a timing mistake and can be corrected by the referee.

Please note that along with the word "legally" being added to 4-42-5, it was also added to 5-9-4 for the 2007-08 season.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

NO! This was part of our discussion of the rule change last season. A player intentionally kicking the ball during a throw-in is NOT a legal touch, and the clock should not start. If any time does come off the clock, this is a timing mistake and can be corrected by the referee. Please note that along with the word "legally" being added to 4-42-5, it was also added to 5-9-4 for the 2007-08 season.

So if the clock reads 5:52 during the dead ball previous to the throwin, and there is a kick during the throwin, as described in this thread, and then the clock reads 5:50, then we can change it back to 5:52?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Quote:

NO! This was part of our discussion of the rule change last season. A player intentionally kicking the ball during a throw-in is NOT a legal touch, and the clock should not start.

If any time does come off the clock, this is a timing mistake and can be corrected by the referee.

Please note that along with the word "legally" being added to 4-42-5, it was also added to 5-9-4 for the 2007-08 season.

Doh! I'd forgotten about that change.