Coach drags out the rule book

[Back In The Saddle]

I think the irony in this whole discussion is that, generally speaking, an official who is familiar enough with the rules to be able to quickly find the correct rule when presented with a rule book "in the heat of battle" is not likely to be the same official who kicked the rule to begin with.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

...generally speaking, an official who is familiar enough with the rules to be able to quickly find the correct rule when presented with a rule book "in the heat of battle" is not likely to be the same official who kicked the rule to begin with.

Very true.

[JRutledge]

It has nothing to do with finding the rule. It is that this action in inappropriate. Just like it is inappropriate for officials to say certain things to coaches, it is inappropriate for a coach (or official) to bring out a rulebook. If you know the rules, you do not need a rulebook to prove you right or find the rule. Actually if many coaches want to, I can quote the rule (which I do not recommend either) on the fly. If it is inappropirate for me to tell a coach to sit down and shut up, then it is inappropriate for a coach to bring a rulebook to a discussion. Also, many of the situations in basketball have nothing to do with the rulebook. Often these are judgment decisions that a rulebook is not going to solve.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It has nothing to do with finding the rule. It is that this action in inappropriate. ... it is inappropriate for a coach (or official) to bring out a rulebook.

I disagree. There is nothing in and of the act itself of consulting the book that is insulting, degrading, or otherwise inappropriate. It depends upon the manner in which it is done.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If it is inappropirate for me to tell a coach to sit down and shut up, then it is inappropriate for a coach to bring a rulebook to a discussion.

Apples to oranges.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Also, many of the situations in basketball have nothing to do with the rulebook. Often these are judgment decisions that a rulebook is not going to solve.

That is probably true.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I disagree. There is nothing in and of the act itself of consulting the book that is insulting, degrading, or otherwise inappropriate. It depends upon the manner in which it is done.

I did not say it was insulting or deaning. I said it was inapproriate and that is a big difference. And if it was appropriate, you would see people all over the place advocating such an action. The reality other than on this site, you probably would not find anyone of the powers that be advocating such a thing. I bet you will never see this allowed in any college league? I know it is not allowed in my state from any assignor. It is not allowed in any sport I work. It is not appropriate for an official to do the same.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Apples to oranges.

It is the same thing. We all have things that would be considered unprofessional. It is unprofessional for officials to say and do things, the same things apply to a coach. We are held to standards and so are coaches. If a coach wants to complain, go through the proper channels. I have shown coaches that I am friendly with the rules after the game or through email.

And here is another caveat to this discussion, no one I work for would support such an action by a coach. Not at the high school level and certainly not the college ranks.

If you think I kicked a rule, contact the assignor or state administrator(s) and you will know what was right or wrong. If I am wrong, then the powers that be have ways to come to a solution.

But to assume that we are going to hash out things by bringing in a rulebook is silly. People here cannot agree on interpretations and have to find many other references outside the rulebook. You for one are notorious of bring out some interpretation from 1972 and you think because you have a rulebook present that is going to solve all rules problems? And we have not even discussed the casebook yet.

Peace

[Back In The Saddle]

So....what if the coach pulled Nevadaref out of his bag to provide an interp from 1972? Would that be appropriate, or inappropriate?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

So....what if the coach pulled Nevadaref out of his bag to provide an interp from 1972? Would that be appropriate, or inappropriate?

You're confusing Nevada for Chuck. Nevada would never fit in a coach's bag.

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not say it was insulting or deaning. I said it was inapproriate and that is a big difference. And if it was appropriate, you would see people all over the place advocating such an action. The reality other than on this site, you probably would not find anyone of the powers that be advocating such a thing. I bet you will never see this allowed in any college league? I know it is not allowed in my state from any assignor. It is not allowed in any sport I work. It is not appropriate for an official to do the same.



It is the same thing. We all have things that would be considered unprofessional. It is unprofessional for officials to say and do things, the same things apply to a coach. We are held to standards and so are coaches. If a coach wants to complain, go through the proper channels. I have shown coaches that I am friendly with the rules after the game or through email.

And here is another caveat to this discussion, no one I work for would support such an action by a coach. Not at the high school level and certainly not the college ranks.

If you think I kicked a rule, contact the assignor or state administrator(s) and you will know what was right or wrong. If I am wrong, then the powers that be have ways to come to a solution.

But to assume that we are going to hash out things by bringing in a rulebook is silly. People here cannot agree on interpretations and have to find many other references outside the rulebook. You for one are notorious of bring out some interpretation from 1972 and you think because you have a rulebook present that is going to solve all rules problems? And we have not even discussed the casebook yet.

Peace

Well said