Coach drags out the rule book

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by CoachP

Varsity level.
Team A down by one point. I am Coach A.
A1 hits jumper, end of game buzzer sounds as ball is passing thru basket as referee is blowing whistle for a foul on A2.
Ref waives off basket as explained in Fiasco's OP.

In this case, probably at the scorers table, there will be 2 coaches and 2-3 referees. If the referees confer that the basket is not counted, I WILL bring out my rule book.

So the official confer and decide the goal doesn't count and the game is over. They turn from their huddle and signal no score and the run off the court. Exactly at what point during that process do you intend to bring out your rule book?

[CoachP]

Originally Posted by LDUB

So the official confer and decide the goal doesn't count and the game is over. They turn from their huddle and signal no score and the run off the court. Exactly at what point during that process do you intend to bring out your rule book?

With that process , I don't. They ran off the court. But if I chase them, then M&M will hit me with 10-4-1(b)

[SWMOzebra]

In the MSHSAA "Official's Manual" (available at mshsaa.org), there is on page 9 a heading titled "Procedures to Follow in Case a Game is Protested."

Essentially, if the head coach feels there has been a misapplication of a rule by contest officials, he may "file a formal, verbal complaint with the game officials who will then notify the opposing coach immediately." Note this does not allow any protest judgment calls.

Under paragraph C of this section, the protesting coach is allowed to produce the NFHS rule book for the sport in question and show game officials the appropriate rule reference and how it was misapplied (in his/her opinion). There is a maximum of 10 minutes allowed for this to take place. According to this section: "If a rule reference(s), case book play(s), or other information from MSHSAA Rule Meeting Announcement and/or MSHSAA Sport Manual is found that indicates a misapplication of a rule has occurred, the official's decision shall be corrected at that time before any further action occurs, and the game shall be resumed from the point of interruption after the correction."

Finally, here's paragraph G: "Officials that fail to allow a protest of rules application or fail to make the appropriate change when shown the rule are subject to suspension of their officiating privileges."

As if this arcane concept wasn't confusing enough, paragraph A adds to the confusion for basketball officials: "Within the guidelines of each individual sport rule code, the head coach must request a review of an official's application of a rule through the appropriate channels."

I see 5-4-2 states "The NFHS Basketball Rules Committee does not recognize protests." I suppose this means in basketball, this procedure would not apply.

Basketball is the only sport I officiate...but what about you multi-sport folks out there? Do other rules allow for a protest by the coach in the middle of a game?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

Basketball is the only sport I officiate...but what about you multi-sport folks out there? Do other rules allow for a protest by the coach in the middle of a game?

Volleyball allows for it. A head coach may request a timeout, consult with the first referee, and if the disputed decision is changed, the timeout is charged instead to the referee. The window of opportunity is very short, and the mandated protocol makes it very unlikely that a rule book would be present to consult. Judgment calls are not subject to review. But I have never personally seen it happen.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by CoachP

With that process , I don't. They ran off the court. But if I chase them, then M&M will hit me with 10-4-1(b)

You might be able to catch M&M before he gets out of the visual whatevers, but no one else I know of will take that long getting off the court.

[ChrisSportsFan]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You might be able to catch M&M before he gets out of the visual whatevers, but no one else I know of will take that long getting off the court.

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[biz]

The high school league that I coach in allows protests to occur. The only league rules are that the protest must be made at or as close to the time of the (believed) infraction, and that you cannot protest a judgement call.

The protest is heard by the league athletic directors and the league commissioner at a special meeting. Our league rule superceeds the NF rule which doesn't allow protests. This is similar to our (MA) use of the shot clock although NF rules don't provide for one.

[Nevadaref]

during a game that I am working, I'll happily point him to the rule which proves that he is wrong.

A good official who knows the rules shouldn't feel threatened by a coach with a rules book.

Of course, a coach would never be seen in public with a rules book!

[Back In The Saddle]

I think the irony in this whole discussion is that, generally speaking, an official who is familiar enough with the rules to be able to quickly find the correct rule when presented with a rule book "in the heat of battle" is not likely to be the same official who kicked the rule to begin with.