Strange Sideline Inbounds play

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zeedonk

A1 then inbounds and off we go. As we go, A1 asks why B1 didn't get a T for reaching in, I say b/c he didn't hit anything

While you were right in not calling the T, should you have perhaps called a delay of game violation? If B1, in his flailing, reached across the plane, it should have been a delay of game. If he didn't reach across, then whether or not he touched the ball is irrelevant.

Originally Posted by zeedonk

B1 comes by and says, Hey, he hit me on the head with the ball- I say, I saw him place the ball over you but didn't see him touch you with it.

I would have asked B1 why he didn't just grab it, then.

Originally Posted by zeedonk

Question is- If A1 DID touch B1 with the ball, I'd call out of bounds violation on A1 as he was standing OOB while the ball contacted the player in bounds (right?)

No, not right. This is not a violation.

Originally Posted by zeedonk

Or should I have killed the play when I saw them too close and moved them both away? Preventive officiating or improperly stopping the play?

Why were they too close? There's no distance requirement here, so you have no right to move them away from each other. Let this play out.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

While you were right in not calling the T, should you have perhaps called a delay of game violation? If B1, in his flailing, reached across the plane, it should have been a delay of game.

Don't have time to look it up right now but isn't there a difference in rules between NFHS and NCAA-M concerning a defensive player reaching through the plane (w/o making contact to player or ball)?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Don't have time to look it up right now but isn't there a difference in rules between NFHS and NCAA-M concerning a defensive player reaching through the plane (w/o making contact to player or ball)?

Dunno, but don't forget that in NF, if a player reaches across and hits the ball (which is a player technical), that also counts as a delay warning against the team. I know that's easy to forget.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Don't have time to look it up right now but isn't there a difference in rules between NFHS and NCAA-M concerning a defensive player reaching through the plane (w/o making contact to player or ball)?

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Dunno, but don't forget that in NF, if a player reaches across and hits the ball (which is a player technical), that also counts as a delay warning against the team. I know that's easy to forget.

It's the same for NCAA-M. But I think there are differing enforcements for just reaching across the plane (other than the flight attendant smacking your hand for interfering with cart service )

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It's the same for NCAA-M. But I think there are differing enforcements for just reaching across the plane (other than the flight attendant smacking your hand for interfering with cart service )

Don't know about NCAA, but in fed rules, it's a DOG for merely reaching across the plane. If, on the first offense, the player touches the ball in the process, it's a warning and a technical foul.

[Raymond]

NCAA reads as follows in the penalty section of rule 10:

Men 10-6 Art 1.: j. Reach through the throw-in boundary-line plane AND touch or dislodge the ball while it is in possession of the thrower or being
passed to a teammate outside the boundary line as in 7-5.8.a.

Women 10-3:
Art. 7. After a team warning has been issued, the opponents of the thrower-in having any part of their person beyond the vertical inside plane of any boundary line before the ball has crossed that boundary line.

Art. 8. Reaching through the throw-in boundary-line plane and touching or dislodging the ball while it is in possession of the thrower or being passed to a teammate outside the boundary line as in 7-5.8.a. This act shall also serve as a team warning for reaching through the boundary. (See Rule 4-17.1.g)

In NCAA-M there is no reference for a penalty for reaching across the plane.(BTW, I don't know why 7-5.8.a is referenced above, it's not applicable to this rule).

I know the NCAA-W clinic made major emphasis to the additional article added to the women's side.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

NCAA reads as follows in the penalty section of rule 10:

Men 10-6 Art 1.: j. Reach through the throw-in boundary-line plane AND touch or dislodge the ball while it is in possession of the thrower or being passed to a teammate outside the boundary line as in 7-5.8.a.

Women 10-3:
Art. 7. After a team warning has been issued, the opponents of the thrower-in having any part of their person beyond the vertical inside plane of any boundary line before the ball has crossed that boundary line.

Art. 8. Reaching through the throw-in boundary-line plane and touching or dislodging the ball while it is in possession of the thrower or being passed to a teammate outside the boundary line as in 7-5.8.a. This act shall also serve as a team warning for reaching through the boundary. (See Rule 4-17.1.g)

In NCAA-M there is no reference for a penalty for reaching across the plane.(BTW, I don't know why 7-5.8.a is referenced above, it's not applicable to this rule).

I know the NCAA-W clinic made major emphasis to the additional article added to the women's side.

NCAA Rule 7, Art. 6.

Until the throw-in ball crosses the plane of the sideline or end line:
b. No opponent of the thrower-in shall have any part of his or her person over the inside plane of the boundary line;

NCAA Rule 9, Art. 4. (Men)
The opponents of the thrower-in shall not have any part of their person beyond the vertical inside plane of any boundary line before the ball has crossed that boundary line.