Block/Charge:John Adams Theroy

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I love how all those are big and bad here, but you could express your "opinion" at an NCAA Meeting and tell John how "wrong" you feel he is.

Peace

Rut:

I was not planning on attending the IAABO Fall Rules Interpreters' Meeting in September because Start H.S. has a home football game that Friday night and as vice-president of the athletic boosters I am in charge of the concession stand. But I think I am going to beg my wife (she is the real brains of the concession stand, after all she has a degree in business and I am just a structural engineer) to let me go because I can assure you that if John takes that position at the meeting he will be called upon the carpet by quite a few people who are more learned than me on the subject matter and I consider myself quite learned.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. The college football season is just around the corner. Go Penguins!! Beat the Leathernecks.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

the IAABO Fall Rules Interpreters' Meeting in September . . . if John takes that position at the meeting

Why would the NCAA men's Coordinator of Officials be at an IAABO meeting? Did Hank Nichols attend those meetings?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Why would the NCAA men's Coordinator of Officials be at an IAABO meeting? Did Hank Nichols attend those meetings?

Hank always attended the meetings (because he was a member of IAABO) in his capacity as Rules Editor and always gave a presentation on the new rules. When Hank became Officials Coordinator, the person (oh my gosh I can't remember who that is right now, I am have a senior moment and am not at home with my rules books) who took his place as Rules Editor would give a presentation on the new rules. Barb Jacobs never came in her capacity as the women's Rules Editor, so Sally Bell (she was a member of IAABO too) would give the presentation or Hank would fill in if Sally could not attend.

MTD, Sr.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Hank always attended the meetings (because he was a member of IAABO) in his capacity as Rules Editor

But when he was NCAA coordinator of officials, he did not attend, right? I would not expect Mr. Adams to attend an IAABO meeting. Ed Bilik is now the rules editor, btw.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

But when he was NCAA coordinator of officials, he did not attend, right? I would not expect Mr. Adams to attend an IAABO meeting. Ed Bilik is now the rules editor, btw.

Yes he did. I have not attended the Rules Interpreters meeting for the last four years do to my position as in officer in our sons' H.S.'s athletic boosters club, meaning I am running the concession stand on Friday nights at football games. Hank is a long time member of IAABO so it is not unusual for him to attend this meeting anyway, especially this year because it is in New Jersey and Hank lives near Philadelphia, if my memory serves me correct.

MTD, Sr.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

I personally like Adams philosophy because how is the defender going to gain any advantage while being under the basket, unless a defender is going baseline and is not going for a try on goal. I would like to call this a no call for the most part unless the contact is enough to warrant a block.

I disagree; players attempting reverse layups would be well defended by a player under the basket. It might work for a "rule of thumb," but to make it hard and fast is asinine.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by msavakinas

where did Adams say this at?

I personally don't think it is such a big deal. I remember going to a clinic (baseball) where (NCAA Coordinator at the time) Dave Yeast was a clinician. He was talking in front of all of us and said "The Official NCAA stance is to call the strikezone as it says in the rulebook"... then he looked at us and he gave his a speech on how he believes the strikezone should be called and he went on to explain some things that are part of the game with the strikezone (catchers pulling pitches, the high strike, etc...). It's not that big of a deal that he said it if this is what he believes.

And two years ago I was at the NCAA Meeting in Indy when Yeast basically talked about philosophies that the rules did not cover and how to handle them. I did not see anyone then start challenging him on his opinions then and now. Also he said the CCA Book simply a guide and said that the book basically a bunch of mechanics that everyone could easily agree upon. Funny, if you were to say that on this board there would be mutiny.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Thanks so much for sharing your do-whatever-you-want philosophy on officiating with us. It was so insightful. Of course, it conveniently has the advantage that anything which you chose to do can never be criticized as incorrect.

The game is on the court, not in the book. The book is a summary of the game, attempting to describe the game and the way it is to be played but only so much can be put on paper without it becoming the Library of Congress. There will always be subleties, concepts and philosophies of the game that never get in the book. You can choose to call the game or call the book, your choice, but to call a good game, you need to know the game itself...in addition to the book.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I was not planning on attending the IAABO Fall Rules Interpreters' Meeting

Ever met people from Ontario? Like TM or GS?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Ever met people from Ontario? Like TM or GS?

I have met and count as friends a number of Canadian basketball officials.

MTD, Sr.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Rut:

I was not planning on attending the IAABO Fall Rules Interpreters' Meeting in September because Start H.S. has a home football game that Friday night and as vice-president of the athletic boosters I am in charge of the concession stand. But I think I am going to beg my wife (she is the real brains of the concession stand, after all she has a degree in business and I am just a structural engineer) to let me go because I can assure you that if John takes that position at the meeting he will be called upon the carpet by quite a few people who are more learned than me on the subject matter and I consider myself quite learned.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. The college football season is just around the corner. Go Penguins!! Beat the Leathernecks.

Maybe you because you are a Penguin, I am not getting your connection to the IAABO Meetings and the NCAA Meetings. You lost me there Mark.

Also what I said was rather tongue and cheek. I just love how people talk big and bad here about what they their position, but likely would never go to those people and talk directly to them about their positions. I know when I had the opportunity to talk to Mary Struckoff about a mechanics issue I had the opportunity and I actually asked her for clarification.

Also the NCAA does not have any officials on the Rules Committee. These rules are made by only coaches who in most cases do not know how the rule should be applied that they just wrote. This is not as bad on the basketball side, but the football side there are rules created that make no sense and you can tell that officials never helped the committee with the writing of the rule. John has a right to tell his officials how to call the game. The Rulebook is not the end all be all of officiating the rules. If that was the case, why have camps or other trainings of officials if all you had to do is read a rulebook. If you do not like it, then do what you feel is best. But for those that work games under the NCAA, his opinion is very valid and I have no problem following it. And in reality this play is very rare and might not happen most of the season. Once again I love how people obsess over something that really is not a common occurrence. And if you do not work that level, why would you care what anyone says about those rules? I know when I hear how the NBA wants to do something; I do not lose a millisecond of sleep over how they call the game.

Peace

[Y2Koach]

Regarding standing underneath the basket = automatic block

What if A2 is driving to the basket along the left baseline and gets past B2. B4 rotates to help B2 and establishes LGP directly underneath the basket. A2, thinking B4 is going to attempt to block the shot attempt, jumps from the left side of the lane, trying to get to the right side of the lane for a reverse layup. Automatic block?

Originally Posted by Y2Koach

Regarding standing underneath the basket = automatic block

What if A2 is driving to the basket along the left baseline and gets past B2. B4 rotates to help B2 and establishes LGP directly underneath the basket. A2, thinking B4 is going to attempt to block the shot attempt, jumps from the left side of the lane, trying to get to the right side of the lane for a reverse layup. Automatic block?

Seeing how LGP was established before A2 went airborne, unless B4 comes out of his verticle plane it sounds like a PC to me coach.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Seeing how LGP was established before A2 went airborne, unless B4 comes out of his verticle plane it sounds like a PC to me coach.

We really need Mr. Spelling Guy back.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

We really need Mr. Spelling Guy back.

Not really... your -errrr- you're (or should I say) you are doing one heck of a job filling in