Block/Charge:John Adams Theroy

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by MOofficial

Here is what John said:

The offensive players goal is to try and score the basketball and the job of the defense is to prevent the offense from scoring, then how can the defense be preventing the offense from scoring when standing under the basket trying to take a charge when the ball is out of the offesive players hand for a layup.

Basically what thats saying is that instead of having an arc drawn on the floor, that play is a block everytime. No matter how long they were standing there. After hearing that I fully agree with that philosophy

Unfortunately, if he really said that then he is going completely against the current NCAA rules as written. That is completely contrary to what is in the NCAA rulebook. That used to be the Womens' rule and even they changed it to match the Mens rule last year. NCAA rules go by legal guarding position everywhere on the court, including under the baskets.

If he did say that, then that might just make it a tie for the stoopidest statement ever made by any Coordinator anywhere.

I'll believe it when I read it in the rules, an AR or in a rules bulletin.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Unfortunately, if he really said that then he is going completely against the current NCAA rules as written. That is completely contrary to what is in the NCAA rulebook. That used to be the Womens' rule and even they changed it to match the Mens rule last year. NCAA rules go by legal guarding position everywhere on the court, including under the baskets.

If he did say that, then that might just make it a tie for the stoopidest statement ever made by any Coordinator anywhere.

I'll believe it when I read it in the rules, an AR or in a rules bulletin.

JR:

Read my post. His statement is the statement of someone who has never read a rule book. The women's rules were always the same, it was just Barb Jacobs was as clueless as the former basketball coach that she was and she just said that this was how is was going to be even though she did not know or understand the rule.

MTD, Sr.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Unfortunately, if he really said that then he is going completely against the current NCAA rules as written. That is completely contrary to what is in the NCAA rulebook.

That was going to be my comment, as well. Last year's POE on crashes at the basket made it clear that a defender can have LGP anywhere on the floor.

Also, I don't think it's accurate to say that John Adams will "run the tournament" in March. There's a tournament committee that selects the officials for each round and decides where they will go. Obviously the coordinator of officials has serious input into that process; but, on paper at least, he is merely an advisor to the committee. I'm sure someone else has more definitive information about that.

[JRutledge]

I love how all those are big and bad here, but you could express your "opinion" at an NCAA Meeting and tell John how "wrong" you feel he is.

Peace

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I love how all those are big and bad here, but you could express your "opinion" at an NCAA Meeting and tell John how "wrong" you feel he is.

Peace

I volunteer since I have nothing to lose! I ain't doing any Dx ball anytime in my lifetime, so I'll do it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I volunteer since I have nothing to lose! I ain't doing any Dx ball anytime in my lifetime, so I'll do it.

Well, there are a few opportunities to do that.

Peace

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I love how all those are big and bad here, but you could express your "opinion" at an NCAA Meeting and tell John how "wrong" you feel he is.

Peace

Rut:

I was not planning on attending the IAABO Fall Rules Interpreters' Meeting in September because Start H.S. has a home football game that Friday night and as vice-president of the athletic boosters I am in charge of the concession stand. But I think I am going to beg my wife (she is the real brains of the concession stand, after all she has a degree in business and I am just a structural engineer) to let me go because I can assure you that if John takes that position at the meeting he will be called upon the carpet by quite a few people who are more learned than me on the subject matter and I consider myself quite learned.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. The college football season is just around the corner. Go Penguins!! Beat the Leathernecks.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

the IAABO Fall Rules Interpreters' Meeting in September . . . if John takes that position at the meeting

Why would the NCAA men's Coordinator of Officials be at an IAABO meeting? Did Hank Nichols attend those meetings?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Why would the NCAA men's Coordinator of Officials be at an IAABO meeting? Did Hank Nichols attend those meetings?

Hank always attended the meetings (because he was a member of IAABO) in his capacity as Rules Editor and always gave a presentation on the new rules. When Hank became Officials Coordinator, the person (oh my gosh I can't remember who that is right now, I am have a senior moment and am not at home with my rules books) who took his place as Rules Editor would give a presentation on the new rules. Barb Jacobs never came in her capacity as the women's Rules Editor, so Sally Bell (she was a member of IAABO too) would give the presentation or Hank would fill in if Sally could not attend.

MTD, Sr.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Hank always attended the meetings (because he was a member of IAABO) in his capacity as Rules Editor

But when he was NCAA coordinator of officials, he did not attend, right? I would not expect Mr. Adams to attend an IAABO meeting. Ed Bilik is now the rules editor, btw.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

I was not planning on attending the IAABO Fall Rules Interpreters' Meeting

Ever met people from Ontario? Like TM or GS?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Ever met people from Ontario? Like TM or GS?

I have met and count as friends a number of Canadian basketball officials.

MTD, Sr.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Rut:

I was not planning on attending the IAABO Fall Rules Interpreters' Meeting in September because Start H.S. has a home football game that Friday night and as vice-president of the athletic boosters I am in charge of the concession stand. But I think I am going to beg my wife (she is the real brains of the concession stand, after all she has a degree in business and I am just a structural engineer) to let me go because I can assure you that if John takes that position at the meeting he will be called upon the carpet by quite a few people who are more learned than me on the subject matter and I consider myself quite learned.

MTD, Sr.

P.S. The college football season is just around the corner. Go Penguins!! Beat the Leathernecks.

Maybe you because you are a Penguin, I am not getting your connection to the IAABO Meetings and the NCAA Meetings. You lost me there Mark.

Also what I said was rather tongue and cheek. I just love how people talk big and bad here about what they their position, but likely would never go to those people and talk directly to them about their positions. I know when I had the opportunity to talk to Mary Struckoff about a mechanics issue I had the opportunity and I actually asked her for clarification.

Also the NCAA does not have any officials on the Rules Committee. These rules are made by only coaches who in most cases do not know how the rule should be applied that they just wrote. This is not as bad on the basketball side, but the football side there are rules created that make no sense and you can tell that officials never helped the committee with the writing of the rule. John has a right to tell his officials how to call the game. The Rulebook is not the end all be all of officiating the rules. If that was the case, why have camps or other trainings of officials if all you had to do is read a rulebook. If you do not like it, then do what you feel is best. But for those that work games under the NCAA, his opinion is very valid and I have no problem following it. And in reality this play is very rare and might not happen most of the season. Once again I love how people obsess over something that really is not a common occurrence. And if you do not work that level, why would you care what anyone says about those rules? I know when I hear how the NBA wants to do something; I do not lose a millisecond of sleep over how they call the game.

Peace

[Y2Koach]

Regarding standing underneath the basket = automatic block

What if A2 is driving to the basket along the left baseline and gets past B2. B4 rotates to help B2 and establishes LGP directly underneath the basket. A2, thinking B4 is going to attempt to block the shot attempt, jumps from the left side of the lane, trying to get to the right side of the lane for a reverse layup. Automatic block?

Originally Posted by Y2Koach

Regarding standing underneath the basket = automatic block

What if A2 is driving to the basket along the left baseline and gets past B2. B4 rotates to help B2 and establishes LGP directly underneath the basket. A2, thinking B4 is going to attempt to block the shot attempt, jumps from the left side of the lane, trying to get to the right side of the lane for a reverse layup. Automatic block?

Seeing how LGP was established before A2 went airborne, unless B4 comes out of his verticle plane it sounds like a PC to me coach.