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[TravelinMan]

Be cool, JR. Not worth getting upset about.

RKBUmp

From your op, it sounds like the other team was outrebounding you because of their size. You can counteract this by blocking out your opponent (getting inside position) BEFORE they get rebound. Not wait until the other team gets the rebound. Does your coach teach your team this?

Once the other team gets the rebound, if your team is getting elbowed as you say, it sounds like your team was trying to harass the bigger man - try to force a held ball, slap the ball. Am I right? Very often the DEFENSIVE player will commit a foul here. The rebounder obviously has been taught well - pull the ball into their chest and pivot away from the defender. This is perfectly legal. It is only if the elbows are flying wildly and a defender is hit will I call a player control foul. But again, as other officials have said, it is a play you have to see.

And RKBUmp - get a hold of those books - they are not expensive (rules, case book, illustrated qre most helpful)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by TravelinMan

Be cool, JR. Not worth getting upset about.

I wasn't upset. I was just hoping that the next time he had the urge to go after some young official trying to learn the game, maybe he might think a little about how ridiculous what's he's doing really is.

For some reasons, the parents/fanboys never do think about things like that though. And that's why we lose a ton of good, young officials every year. That's what's sad imo.

[TravelinMan]

JR -

Amen.

Also, from his posts, it sounds like Ump has a lot to learn about the game himself before he starts criticizing others (young officials).

[TravelinMan]

"At one point I was counting outloud, loud enough for him to hear me and got to a count of 25 where the kid had never stepped out of the key."

Describe this situation in more detail. That's an awful long time to be in key. Where was the ball? Were shots going up under the basket during time player was in key? Where in the key was the player?

[SWMOzebra]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

For some reasons, the parents/fanboys never do think about things like that though. And that's why we lose a ton of good, young officials every year. That's what's sad imo.

Couldn't agree more...and since you'd think Ump went down this road himself once, he'd give his officiating brothers and sisters a break, regardless of the sport.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

Couldn't agree more...and since you'd think Ump went down this road himself once, he'd give his officiating brothers and sisters a break, regardless of the sport.

I know I've discovered that my instincts now lead me to give officials a break and the benefit of the doubt; regardless of sport.

well, that's not quite accurate. Soccre is an exception.

[TravelinMan]

Looks like UMP has left the building without answering my question. Kinda confirms what JR is saying about him being a fan boy. He isn't interested in learning the rules of the game...HE Knows them all, apparently or won't take the time to learn them.

Snaq, your spelling of soccer ..... do you get a bit flustered thinking about the sport.. He, he

[Adam]

Nah, I figgered it's a Euro sport so it deserves a Euro spelling.