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Difference of understanding with P...
Trying to get myself straight on a couple things....
First...I ended up with an inadvertant whistle...There was a full court press on and I hear TIMEOUT. I hit the whistle and both coaches are looking at me...I looked at offensive team coach and ask :30 or full? He said, I didn't request TO. ![]() Subs were at the table for both teams. My P said they could not enter the game on IW...I thought they could because it's now a dead ball. Secondly... Very early in first half....Had a held ball with PA going toward Team A....During the dead ball before the inbound the table notifies that A23 is not in the book and scored the last bucket for Team A. We issue Admin T....Team B shoots the two FTs. Team Bs ball...Correct? I thought since it was a Tech...it should have been team Bs ball and the arrow did not change. Partner said we go back to POE and resume play and team A got the ball....then the arrow changes to Team B What is correct? in this scenario... |
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Also in NCAA (men), you administer most technical fouls and then resume at the POI. This is only true in NFHS for double technical fouls. So if you were supposed to be using NFHS rules, you were right both times. If you were using NCAAM rules, then your partner was right the second time and may have been right the first time, depending on when the inadvertent whistle occurred. Last edited by Scrapper1; Mon Jul 21, 2008 at 01:56pm. |
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Both rulesets prohibit subs from entering in the last 59.9 seconds when the clock is stopped for an accidental whistle. There was some difference when the rule first appeared between what constituted an accidental whistle. Those differences may be gone now. I can't find my NCAA book at the moment, and the NCAA website is not cooperating. So somebody else will have to supply the actual citation from Rule 3. |
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NCAA Rule 3-4.6
Art. 7. (Men) Substitution shall not be allowed when the game is stopped in the last 59.9 seconds of the second half or any extra period to correct a timing mistake or for an inadvertent whistle.
(Women) Substitutions shall not be allowed when the game is stopped in the last 59.9 seconds of the second half or any extra period for anything other than a timeout, a violation or a foul. |
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In any case, I think the Women's rule is clearer, more specific and easier to administer. |
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Normally, if the ball bounces a long way away, we'll blow the whistle to stop the game and retrieve the ball. The clock is already stopped in this situation, though, so there's no reason for the whistle. So if the official (out of habit) blows the whistle, is it inadvertent? Do we let the subs in? I think that the answer was that we do not let the subs in. I'm sure it's one of the NCAA bulletins for the year that the rule was introduced, but I don't have all the old bulletins. With the women's rule, we don't even have to worry about this scenario. |
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In your mens scenario the referee blew the whistle on purpose and it was not inadvertent/accident. Can a sub be allowed in with less than 59.9 secs if I blow the whistle on purpose that is not a foul or violation? Example: the net getting stuck in the rim from a shot or a wet spot that needs to be cleaned up on the floor. |
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