Thoughts on a loose ball/3 seconds call?

[referee99]

Sit: Team A ball. Entry pass thrown into post player in the lane. She fumbles it. Ball is on the floor. Its squirting around. Nobody gets control. "3 seconds" begins to be heard. Maybe the post player gets it while she is on her back in the lane. Tries to pass out. Ball is batted and again is squirting around. Now the chorus of "3 seconds" is EVERYWHERE.

Art. 1... A player shall not remain for three seconds in that part of his/her free-throw lane between the end line and the farther edge of the free-throw line while the ball is in control of his/her team in his/her frontcourt.

My training was that 3 seconds should be ignored/avoided unless advantage is gained.

In this situation, the rule dictates that a violation be called. Team A has team control. Player A1 (and later say, A2 and A3) are in the lane area for more than 3 seconds. I fully understand what the rule says.

What I would ask for... is what the thought process is for others when this situation occurs?

[Adam]

I'm calling this. I have called it; and I don't call 3 seconds often.
You gonna wait until A3 picks it up and shoots? To me, there's a clear advantage gained here (3 seconds is about the only violation I consider advantage on).

And FWIW, when I called it, there was no chorus for 3 seconds. While I usually "hear" the chorus when it erupts, I never pay attention to it.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm calling this. I have called it; and I don't call 3 seconds often.
You gonna wait until A3 picks it up and shoots? To me, there's a clear advantage gained here (3 seconds is about the only violation I consider advantage on).

And FWIW, when I called it, there was no chorus for 3 seconds. While I usually "hear" the chorus when it erupts, I never pay attention to it.

... I'm screwed for holding my whistle.

You feel Team A participating in the pursuit of the loose ball here is gaining an advantage. That helps. Would you let location affect your thinking? Say this occurs at the elbow as opposed to right in the middle of the lane close to the basket?

[Adam]

If the player involved has, say, just one foot in the lane during the scrum, I might not call it. Normally, however, there are going to be 2 or 3 offensive players going for the ball.

Also, the longer the scrum lasts, the more likely I am to jump in with the call. And if I don't make the call early, A will have a very short window to take a shot or get out of the lane before I make a call.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Three seconds is about the only violation I consider advantage on.

How about ten seconds to shoot a free throw?

[BillyMac]

Do we continue to count three seconds during an interrupted dribble?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Do we continue to count three seconds during an interrupted dribble?

This isn't going to turn into an IAABO discussion, is it?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

This isn't going to turn into an IAABO discussion, is it?

No, just NFHS.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Do we continue to count three seconds during an interrupted dribble?

An interrupted dribble is not one of the ways to lose team control, so, yes, the count continues.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Do we continue to count three seconds during an interrupted dribble?

Is "Player control" required for a 3 second count?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

How about ten seconds to shoot a free throw?

First, that's why I qualified it with "about." I didn't offer this one because I've never called it. I can't honestly say I've ever had a player use 10 seconds.

Second, I'm still not convinced there's any sort of advantage to be gained by taking too long.

[vbzebra]

Originally Posted by referee99

Sit: Team A ball. Entry pass thrown into post player in the lane. She fumbles it. Ball is on the floor. Its squirting around. Nobody gets control. "3 seconds" begins to be heard. Maybe the post player gets it while she is on her back in the lane. Tries to pass out. Ball is batted and again is squirting around. Now the chorus of "3 seconds" is EVERYWHERE.

Art. 1... A player shall not remain for three seconds in that part of his/her free-throw lane between the end line and the farther edge of the free-throw line while the ball is in control of his/her team in his/her frontcourt.

My training was that 3 seconds should be ignored/avoided unless advantage is gained.

In this situation, the rule dictates that a violation be called. Team A has team control. Player A1 (and later say, A2 and A3) are in the lane area for more than 3 seconds. I fully understand what the rule says.

What I would ask for... is what the thought process is for others when this situation occurs?

Wouldn't it be nothing here? Since ball squirting around would mean loss of team control? Or does team control end when the other team "gains control"? Therefore, team control remains with fumbling team? Help!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

Wouldn't it be nothing here? Since ball squirting around would mean loss of team control? Or does team control end when the other team "gains control"? Therefore, team control remains with fumbling team? Help!

Team control continues through a loose ball until the other team secures control (or the ball becomes dead).

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

Wouldn't it be nothing here? Since ball squirting around would mean loss of team control? Or does team control end when the other team "gains control"? Therefore, team control remains with fumbling team? Help!

4-12-3 should help you out; it gives the specifics on when team control ends.

[vbzebra]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

4-12-3 should help you out; it gives the specifics on when team control ends.

Thanks, to both you and "Cameron Rust". I'll definately take a look. I appreciate it