How Would You Explain This To A Coach?

[Zebra06]

Hey fellow zebras!

I realize that some of you may not want to explain anything on this. After all, this seems somewhat stupid of a coach to think this way. Anyhow, here goes...

Team A takes the ball out of bounds after a made basket by Team B. They inbound and begin working the ball towards their front court. As they are approaching a 10-second count, the coach for Team A calls for and is awarded a timeout. Team B's coach gets upset that the call is made. The official counting was only up to 7 seconds. What would you tell Team B's coach? What rules and/or case book citings would you want to refer to on this?

And here's something I thought of... what if the coach for B is asked in return if he thinks officials should award a team a timeout when they're 3.5 seconds into the count for a 5-count to get the ball in bounds?

I look forward to responses and your thoughts.

[just another ref]

What could you possibly have to explain here?? If you feel that an explanation is necessary in this case you will spend your whole life explaining things, which is a bad idea, in general, and in this case, in my opinion, is not an option.

[Zebra06]

To just another ref...

Thanks for your response. The idea I have here is that this was in a youth league and I'd like to give this coach a chance... I won't do this for him every time. It's just that I'm certain to see him and his team again and I'd like to see if he will make himself educatable.

[just another ref]

You don't say exactly why the coach was upset. He thought the count was slow, or what?

[Zebra06]

Originally Posted by just another ref

You don't say exactly why the coach was upset. He thought the count was slow, or what?

Sorry about that... the coach felt that the timeout should not have been awarded since A was nearing the 10-second count.

Also what would you refer to in order to show that a new 10-count would be allowed when play is resumed? This is different from the latest in the NBA from what I heard broadcasters saying during the NBA Playoffs. They get 8 seconds TOTAL, even if that 8 seconds is broken up by a timeout. Or at least that's what I was hearing the tv broadcasters saying.

[just another ref]

Sounds like this guy has more to learn than he can be taught during the game. Also, if your own way of learning the rules is based very much on listening to tv announcers, you probably have a bit of work left to do yourself.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Zebra06

Sorry about that... the coach felt that the timeout should not have been awarded since A was nearing the 10-second count.

Tell the coach that they did away with that concept 25 years ago.

Originally Posted by Zebra06

Also what would you refer to in order to show that a new 10-count would be allowed when play is resumed? This is different from the latest in the NBA from what I heard broadcasters saying during the NBA Playoffs. They get 8 seconds TOTAL, even if that 8 seconds is broken up by a timeout. Or at least that's what I was hearing the tv broadcasters saying.

This casebook play:

9.8 SITUATION C: After A1 has dribbled for nine seconds in A's backcourt: (a) A1 requests a time-out; or (b) B1 deflects the ball out of bounds. RULING: In both (a) and (b), Team A will have 10 seconds to advance the ball to frontcourt following the throw-in if a player of Team A gains control in A's backcourt.

You are correct about the NBA rule. It is a hard 8 seconds. They also can't throw the ball into the backcourt on a throw-in from adjacent to the frontcourt until the final two minutes of the 4th quarter. Neither of those concepts apply at the HS level.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Zebra06

Sorry about that... the coach felt that the timeout should not have been awarded since A was nearing the 10-second count.

"Coach, there's no rule prohibiting it; there hasn't been for more than 25 years."

"Coach, they get a new 10 seconds."

All that needs to be said, if anything, in either case.

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by Zebra06

Hey fellow zebras!

I realize that some of you may not want to explain anything on this. After all, this seems somewhat stupid of a coach to think this way. Anyhow, here goes...

Team A takes the ball out of bounds after a made basket by Team B. They inbound and begin working the ball towards their front court. As they are approaching a 10-second count, the coach for Team A calls for and is awarded a timeout. Team B's coach gets upset that the call is made. The official counting was only up to 7 seconds. What would you tell Team B's coach? What rules and/or case book citings would you want to refer to on this?

And here's something I thought of... what if the coach for B is asked in return if he thinks officials should award a team a timeout when they're 3.5 seconds into the count for a 5-count to get the ball in bounds?

I look forward to responses and your thoughts.

Needs an explanation about as much as Team B hit the ball OOB and it's now Team A's. ....A timeout was requested and granted by the team in control of the ball. What is not to understand coach B?

[Ref_in_Alberta]

Originally Posted by Zebra06

Hey fellow zebras!

I realize that some of you may not want to explain anything on this. After all, this seems somewhat stupid of a coach to think this way. Anyhow, here goes...

Team A takes the ball out of bounds after a made basket by Team B. They inbound and begin working the ball towards their front court. As they are approaching a 10-second count, the coach for Team A calls for and is awarded a timeout. Team B's coach gets upset that the call is made. The official counting was only up to 7 seconds. What would you tell Team B's coach? What rules and/or case book citings would you want to refer to on this?

And here's something I thought of... what if the coach for B is asked in return if he thinks officials should award a team a timeout when they're 3.5 seconds into the count for a 5-count to get the ball in bounds?

I look forward to responses and your thoughts.

My response would be something along the lines of "Coach, his timeout request is within the rules, so I'm granting it. Now please go to your huddle."

However, I don't have to deal with live ball timeout requests anymore because under the FIBA rules timeouts can only be granted during a dead ball.

[pizanno]

ditto to all above, but you might add "if your team calls one, you'd want the same, wouldn't you?"

[BillyMac]

NFHS deleted Change of Status rule in 1986.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

NFHS deleted Change of Status rule in 1986.

Good research, Billy!
That appears in the "Chronology of Basketball Rules" section of the NFHS Handbook.

[Fan10]

I saw this happen recently in a game: Team A inbounded the ball, and the game clock did not start. After a little time had elaspsed, the refs blew the whistle to adjust the clock. After discussion at the table, five seconds were removed from the game clock. Team A was then given the ball on the side at the point where they were at when play was stopped. Team A then took seven seconds to get it across the midcourt line. No violation was called.

I can see where if Team A calls timeout getting a new ten seconds. They've given up a timeout in exchange for the fresh ten seconds. And, I can see if Team B deflects a ball out of bounds getting a new ten seconds since the violation that caused the ball to become dead was against Team B. But, in this case, it seemed that the clock malfunction (something that was beyond either team's control) rewarded Team A.

I'm just a fan, but my buddy and I were discussing it. We said that if Team A was going to get a new ten seconds, they should have been given the ball on the inbounds under the goal--which sounded logical since they would then have ten seconds to go the full half court rather than ten seconds to only go part of the half court.

I'm sure that this was called correctly, but it just didn't seem right. Thoughts?