Off Topic: Rules Question

[mick]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I'd start the 5-second count when B1 grabbed the ball, with the rationale that it's at his disposal at that time. Then just let the clock run out.

Team B isn't gaining any advantage through the dumb play of B1.

Jmo....

YU.P.
In all cases, I can see showing the 5 second count as soon as it leaves B1's hands to show that the official is on the play and that the game ain't over.
I'd have no violation in any of the three cases if the time ran out with no player controlling the ball.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I hate to bring up a real basketball / officiating question, so I apologize in advance for bringing an off-topic discussion to this forum:

Play: FED rules. A scores a basket with 4.8 seconds remaining. The score is now B:46, A:44. Team A is out of time-outs. Player B1 (stupidly) grabs the ball as it falls through the basket and throws the ball: (a) high in the air, (b) to the other end of the court, (c) out of bounds under A's basket and away from the court.

Ruling:??

(Is there any penalty / delay warning to B? When (if ever) does the ball become live (what if A "fouls" during this sequence)?)

I've thought about this play for a bit and come to the following conclusion. The ball becomes live when B1 grabs it and decides to delay heading directly out of bounds for the throw-in. The officials should start the five second count at that time.

As soon as B1 throws the ball somewhere the official needs to make a decision. Part (c) seems to be the easiest to handle as the ball is now in a location from where the throw-in could be legally completed. In this case, the official merely continues the count and the game clock will expire.

Parts (a) and (b) present a different problem. Namely, it is not possible to allow the game to continue if the ball comes down in bounds and is controlled by a player of Team A as the action of B1 cannot be considered a legal throw-in as he was not OOB when throwing the ball. Therefore, I believe that a throw-in violation must be called against Team B as soon as B1 throws the ball into the air anywhere over the playing court. Sound the whistle, stop the clock, and resume play with a throw-in to Team A on the endline with whatever amount of time remains. To do otherwise seems unfair to Team A imo.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Therefore, I believe that a throw-in violation must be called against Team B as soon as B1 throws the ball into the air anywhere over the playing court.

B1 tossing the ball to the regular in-thrower is unlikely to be penalized.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mick

B1 tossing the ball to the regular in-thrower is unlikely to be penalized.

That's cute, mick.