Celtics offensive foul call

[Scrapper1]

It's slow today, and nobody has mentioned this call in the Celtics game.

(Before we even start, if you're just going to make a smart@ss comment about the NBA, please just stay away.)

This is a play that 98% of the time is called against the defender. I have no problem with Bennet Salvatore's call here because Pierce jumps sideways. But the NBA call, in general, is to call this against the defender; and it seems a really strange time to swim that hard against the tide.

Is this call correct?

Is it appropriate for the game and situation?

[Mark Padgett]

"He can pivot into a man that's jumping forward." What the H-E-double hockey sticks does that mean?

[btaylor64]

this is definitely an offensive foul. The norm or status quo you are talking about is when the defender jumps directly at the shooter and the offensive player can then draw a foul from such, but hamilton is jumping to the side of Pierce, more like a fly by, and pierce steps over into him overtly which we are told to deem this as well as plays such as overt leg kicks during jump shots and wipe outs on plays to the basket as offensive fouls.

[just another ref]

That's a foul, but Fisher hip checking Barry is not. Neither was a travel.
No rhyme or reason.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That's a foul. Neither was a travel.

Based on my knowledge of NFHS rules:

Disagree. Pierce traveled, watch his left foot, the pivot foot.

Agree. Since travel wasn't called, it was a player control foul. Pierce certainly initiates contact by moving to his right, into Hamilton.

Full disclosure. I'm not a big NBA fan, but when I do pay any attention to this league, I pay attention to the Celtics. I grew up watching the Celtics, coached by Bill Russell, on ABC, on Sunday afternoons. Defense, teamwork, fast break offense, you gotta love the good old days.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That's a foul. Neither was a travel.

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Based on my knowledge of NFHS rules:

Disagree. Pierce traveled, watch his left foot, the pivot foot.

Agree. Since travel wasn't called, it was a player control foul. Pierce certainly initiates contact by moving to his right, into Hamilton.

Full disclosure. I'm not a big NBA fan, but when I do pay any attention to this league, I pay attention to the Celtics. I grew up watching the Celtics, coached by Bill Russell, on ABC, on Sunday afternoons. Defense, teamwork, fast break offense, you gotta love the good old days.

I wasn't giving my opinion. I was comparing the two cases and saying what had actually been called. Both were probably travels. But NBA travels are like eating soup with a fork, you just don't pick up much. I'm saying that Fisher made at least as much contact with Barry, and I think Barry was put at a disadvantage by not being able to get off a shot cleanly. If Pierce doesn't move into Hamilton he passes by cleanly, yes, but did this bump but Hamilton at a disadvantage? I say no.

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[Camron Rust]

Correct, shooter moved into the path of an airborne player without allowing that player a place to land. Normally with a shot, this is not strictly considered....the shooter is often moving "into" the path of the defender but the two paths are already on a collision course. In this case, the airborne defensive player would have completely missed the shooter but for the completely unusual side step of the shooter.

[JugglingReferee]

Great call by 15.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Before we even start, if you're just going to make a smart@ss comment about the NBA, please just stay away.

I've officiated basketball for close to 50 years and I don't have a clue what criteria is used in the NBA to make ANY foul call. Note that isn't a smart-azz comment either; it's a fact.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I've officiated basketball for close to 50 years and I don't have a clue what criteria is used in the NBA to make ANY foul call. Note that isn't a smart-azz comment either; it's a fact.

At least on this call I agree.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

It's slow today, and nobody has mentioned this call in the Celtics game.

(Before we even start, if you're just going to make a smart@ss comment about the NBA, please just stay away.)

This is a play that 98% of the time is called against the defender. I have no problem with Bennet Salvatore's call here because Pierce jumps sideways. But the NBA call, in general, is to call this against the defender; and it seems a really strange time to swim that hard against the tide.

Is this call correct?

Is it appropriate for the game and situation?

Personally, I really liked the call, as well as being really surprised that call was made.
When I make similar calls on a high school floor, I make 1/2 the people really upset!

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by mick

Personally, I really liked the call, as well as being really surprised that call was made.
When I make similar calls on a high school floor, I make 1/2 the people really upset!

haha, I feel your pain.

My line to the coach is:

"I had a defensive foul all the way....until your player_________"

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by mick

Personally, I really liked the call, as well as being really surprised that call was made.

Those were exactly my thoughts, as well, Mick. That's why I mentioned that it seemed that the call goes against the defender almost all the time.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Those were exactly my thoughts, as well, Mick. That's why I mentioned that it seemed that the call goes against the defender almost all the time.

Are you kidding?

Do you *REALLY* like this call??

I don't. I thought it sucked.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Do you *REALLY* like this call??

I don't. I thought it sucked.

Well, IF there's a call, I don't think it can be against the defender in that play. Pierce clearly jumps to the side, outside his vertical plane, to initiate contact on the defender, who was already airborne, that probably wouldn't have occurred if he'd jumped straight up.'

You could argue for a no-call, and I wouldn't argue too hard against you.