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Old Mon Apr 07, 2008, 10:30pm
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Call The T

I don't care what the score is and what game it is, it is not the NBA, slam the ball get a T. I don't care who you are frustrated with...Every player knows you don't do that. I'm disappointed with Hightower after that!
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Old Mon Apr 07, 2008, 10:32pm
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No way I call that. No way.
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Old Mon Apr 07, 2008, 10:33pm
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No kidding

I have never seen a ball slammed down and go that high without a T. "But he was mad at himself?" Please.
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Old Mon Apr 07, 2008, 10:39pm
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Good officials don't call a T in that situation. That's just ridiculous.
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Old Mon Apr 07, 2008, 10:51pm
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No way on calling the T in this game.

And another note, Cahill and Corbett worked the championship game last year as well, so these two guys plus Hightower...must be doing something right.
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Old Mon Apr 07, 2008, 10:55pm
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A technical here would go down as one of the worst calls of all time.
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Old Mon Apr 07, 2008, 10:57pm
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Next year when you are reffing a Monday night JV game and T a kid up for doing that guess what he's going to say...

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Are you stupid? A T? GMAFB.

Just one of many reasons your asses are sitting home tonight and these guys are on the game.

That's all I was trying to say...
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Old Mon Apr 07, 2008, 10:58pm
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Next year when you are reffing a Monday night JV game and T a kid up for doing that guess what he's going to say...




That's all I was trying to say...
So you're living in fear of what some JV kid may or may not say to you next winter?
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Old Mon Apr 07, 2008, 11:05pm
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What rule means you call the NCAA D1 final different than a NCAA D-III opening weekend game, or apply different principles to a HS JV Game...

THE only thing that changes is YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS the game... Then you are not impartial, and probably blow off contracts for JV games and make the rest of the refs in the world cover your tail.

All I was trying to say is that it establishes a precedent. Slamming the ball down and being stupified for getting a T will happen next year.

Now, I fully understand why it was not called, I just do not agree with it, and apparently I'm only allowed to have an opinion that is agreed upon by the majority of the board...I digress because I'm full of whatever, or stupid or whatever other name we can revert to calling our fellow officials...
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Old Mon Apr 07, 2008, 11:10pm
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Now, I fully understand why it was not called, I just do not agree with it, and apparently I'm only allowed to have an opinion that is agreed upon by the majority of the board...I digress because I'm full of whatever, or stupid or whatever other name we can revert to calling our fellow officials...
Puh-leeze, give us all a break.
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Old Mon Apr 07, 2008, 11:23pm
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THE only thing that changes is YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS the game... Then you are not impartial, and probably blow off contracts for JV games and make the rest of the refs in the world cover your tail.
I've turned back a grand total of 2 assignments in 6 years. I'm sorry if you had to personally cover my tail. That must've been quite an inconvenience. My most humble appologies.

Though one time I did trade a 5:15 JV game for a 3:30 frosh game, so I could get to my daughter's band concert. I still flog myself over that at least weekly.

Oh, and I've turned back a few JV games for V games. I guess that makes me a bad man too.

And I would not have called that T. I'm going to hell. I know it.
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Old Mon Apr 07, 2008, 11:51pm
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What rule means you call the NCAA D1 final different than a NCAA D-III opening weekend game, or apply different principles to a HS JV Game...
I hate to break it to you, expectations change as the levels move up. Sorry, but that is the reality here.

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All I was trying to say is that it establishes a precedent. Slamming the ball down and being stupified for getting a T will happen next year.
I am not sure I understand this statement.

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Now, I fully understand why it was not called, I just do not agree with it, and apparently I'm only allowed to have an opinion that is agreed upon by the majority of the board...I digress because I'm full of whatever, or stupid or whatever other name we can revert to calling our fellow officials...
I do not understand why you are so defensive. I have not read anything that was insulting to you in any way (maybe I overlooked it). But there is a difference between a kid slamming the ball in anger with the officials or another player, then upset with himself because he just missed a big FT. When people start talking about what is automatic, it makes your job harder to do. There should be no automatic, just like a kid that blows out his knee I am not giving him a T for that either. I just wish officials would stop putting "automatics" standards for a bunch of things.

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Old Tue Apr 08, 2008, 08:13am
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I do not understand why you are so defensive. I have not read anything that was insulting to you in any way (maybe I overlooked it)...

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Yeah, you missed it. It's one of the first 5 or 6 replies.
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Old Wed Apr 09, 2008, 11:52am
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I hate to break it to you, expectations change as the levels move up. Sorry, but that is the reality here
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Jr: I have come to respect your opinion on many topics here in my reading, but I have to say i could not disagree more with you and others who do not support calling a technical foul for slamming the ball. In this case he (CDR) was clearly angry and out of control and committed an unsporting act, then looked directly at the official like he was waiting for the "t" signal. I think calling a technical in this situation would have been a huge help to the game. it would preserve the integrity of the officials involved and the rules. Instead they gave a star player a break in special circumstances (nc game). I lost much respect for the crew of that game and their judgment. I think I'll have to give your replies here a second look if I follow your rationale posted here for not calling a technical foul. Sure it would have been a madhouse if he called the t, but instead the opposing team was cheated out of a legitimate free throw opportunity.

By not calling the t we create these "spoiled" players and special rules for special times which ultimately erode the integrity, spirit and purpose of the game. It's a technical every time I see it at the varsity level. the only exception would be a player making a hard dribble and catching it, not what we saw in the cdr example.
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Old Tue Apr 08, 2008, 12:09am
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What rule means you call the NCAA D1 final different than a NCAA D-III opening weekend game, or apply different principles to a HS JV Game...

THE only thing that changes is YOUR ATTITUDE TOWARDS the game... Then you are not impartial, and probably blow off contracts for JV games and make the rest of the refs in the world cover your tail.

All I was trying to say is that it establishes a precedent. Slamming the ball down and being stupified for getting a T will happen next year.

Now, I fully understand why it was not called, I just do not agree with it, and apparently I'm only allowed to have an opinion that is agreed upon by the majority of the board...I digress because I'm full of whatever, or stupid or whatever other name we can revert to calling our fellow officials...
My goodness. I know one part of this isn't correct, at least for me: I don't schedule JV games as they're too hard to turn back when I get a nonconference varsity game. Did work one this past season, though, as part of a JV/V DH.
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