You got to know the rules...

[biz]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

wtf has he talking about there. I'm semi-glad they didn't call that carrying either on the last reg play

I almost completely flipped out when Packer said that about the 5 sec. count...what really got me mad though was Nance agreed with him.

Why are you "semi-glad?" I thought that was a pretty blatent carry and it definitely created an advantage...I think this might go into the category of "we haven't called any border-line carries the whole game so we're certainly not calling one under 10 seconds in the National Championship game."

[JHamp]

What happened to letting the players determine the outcome of the game? They let the carry go, big deal. They also let CDR slam the ball to the floor and allowed it to go 15 feet in the air with Hightower staring straight at him. Any other circumstance besides the NC game that's an automatic T. I have no problems with the officiating in the game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JHamp

What happened to letting the players determine the outcome of the game?

Good grief. I'm not saying whether they should have called the carry or the T, as I didn't see the game. However, from the descriptions of the bounce, I don't understand a T call. It has nothing to do with this coach/fan-speak, "let the players decide the game." What happened to it is it's a stupid concept that high level officials laugh at.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Good grief. I'm not saying whether they should have called the carry or the T, as I didn't see the game. However, from the descriptions of the bounce, I don't understand a T call. It has nothing to do with this coach/fan-speak, "let the players decide the game." What happened to it is it's a stupid concept that high level officials laugh at.

Wow........how could you miss the game? Work, family stuff?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Wow........how could you miss the game? Work, family stuff?

Don't rub it in.
I commute about 2 1/2 hours a day, so try to spend time with the kids when I'm home. It's a sacrifice I don't intend to have to make next year.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Don't rub it in.
I commute about 2 1/2 hours a day, so try to spend time with the kids when I'm home. It's a sacrifice I don't intend to have to make next year.

You can watch the game on your computer at ncaasports.com as it will be archived for about the next twenty days.

[lpbreeze]

I'm glad they cut down on the ads even though there were still too many. I hope CBS got ripped for their earlier games because the amounts of breaks was absurd.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Don't rub it in.
I commute about 2 1/2 hours a day, so try to spend time with the kids when I'm home. It's a sacrifice I don't intend to have to make next year.

On a lesser note, I have a twelve year old son who knows every player on every team, every coach and even the nuances of a Steve Welmer. I made the mistake of letting a friend come over to watch the game last night and he yakked the whole time, much of it nothing about basketball. My son and I have been to final fours, World Series, All star games etc. and we sit and WATCH the game. Any dialogue we have is involving the game itself. So when my friend during the last two minutes asks 'Who's that big guy who plays on North Carolina"? My son almost puked, I ruined our 'mens club' night. Next year, just him and I.

I applaud you for being a Dad first. You got it right.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Don't rub it in.
I commute about 2 1/2 hours a day, so try to spend time with the kids when I'm home. It's a sacrifice I don't intend to have to make next year.

You're getting rid of the kids????

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

You're getting rid of the kids????

Hadn't thought about it, but for the right price....

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JHamp

What happened to letting the players determine the outcome of the game?

The players do determine the outcome of a game. They commit the violations and fouls. The officials just call those violations and fouls. If they don't call 'em, then they aren't violations or fouls.

"Let the players decide the outcome of the game" is a phrase used by coaches and fanboys. Translated, it means "don't call anything on my team, just my opponents".

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

The players do determine the outcome of a game. They commit the violations and fouls. The officials just call those violations and fouls. If they don't call 'em, then they aren't violations or fouls.
"Let the players decide the outcome of the game" is a phrase used by coaches and fanboys. Translated, it means "don't call anything on my team, just my opponents".

Amen.

Officials do not make calls that decide the outcome of a game. Players commit fouls and violations; officials view those infractions, judge the action, and then apply the rules of the game to what they had viewed. The rules then determine the penalty. Officials are on the court to be the only unbiased arbiters of the game. Officials are not concerned with who wins or loses, but only fairness and safety. Everyone else in that gym cares about winning, and therefore cannot look at the game objectively.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Amen.

Officials do not make calls that decide the outcome of a game. Players commit fouls and violations; officials view those infractions, judge the action, and then apply the rules of the game to what they had viewed. The rules then determine the penalty. Officials are on the court to be the only unbiased arbiters of the game. Officials are not concerned with who wins or loses, but only fairness and safety. Everyone else in that gym cares about winning, and therefore cannot look at the game objectively.

BillyMac, you've given me a great idea for our local kids rec league. Next season, before each game, I'm going to have the two officials stand in front of the benches and address the teams and the spectators by announcing, "Everyone who cares which team wins this game raise your hand. Thanks. Please note that my partner and I were the only two people in the gym who didn't raise a hand. Remember that while the game is being played. Thank you."

Actually, I may really do that - I'm not kidding.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

BillyMac, you've given me a great idea for our local kids rec league. Next season, before each game, I'm going to have the two officials stand in front of the benches and address the teams and the spectators by announcing, "Everyone who cares which team wins this game raise your hand. Thanks. Please note that my partner and I were the only two people in the gym who didn't raise a hand. Remember that while the game is being played. Thank you." Actually, I may really do that - I'm not kidding.

I don't do the following every game, maybe a couple of times a season, especially before some of my big "rivalry" games:

Pregame meeting with coaches and captains, as the referee:
"Coaches, are you players properly equipped and do they know how to wear their uniforms properly? Coaches, and captains, my partner and I are going to emphasis good sportsmanship tonight. Look around the gym. The players, coaches, cheerleaders, and fans, have something in common. They all want one of the teams to win. Except me and my partner. We're the only ones in the gym who don't care who wins tonight, so we're going to try to be as unbiased in our calls tonight as we can. If we make any mistakes tonight, it will not be because we want one team, or the other, to win the game. Please remember this during the game. Partner, got anything to add? Coaches, and captains, got any questions? Let's all have fun tonight.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

BillyMac, you've given me a great idea for our local kids rec league. Next season, before each game, I'm going to have the two officials stand in front of the benches and address the teams and the spectators by announcing, "Everyone who cares which team wins this game raise your hand. Thanks. Please note that my partner and I were the only two people in the gym who didn't raise a hand. Remember that while the game is being played. Thank you."

Actually, I may really do that - I'm not kidding.

I have an idea.

Why don't you just tell your officials to work hard & do their absolute best & not worry about fans?