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Old Mon Apr 07, 2008, 11:19pm
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You got to know the rules...

...and according to the rules you have to pick up a rolling inbounded ball before 5 seconds to avoid a violation.

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Old Mon Apr 07, 2008, 11:39pm
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wtf has he talking about there. I'm semi-glad they didn't call that carrying either on the last reg play
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Old Tue Apr 08, 2008, 07:01am
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wtf has he talking about there. I'm semi-glad they didn't call that carrying either on the last reg play

I almost completely flipped out when Packer said that about the 5 sec. count...what really got me mad though was Nance agreed with him.

Why are you "semi-glad?" I thought that was a pretty blatent carry and it definitely created an advantage...I think this might go into the category of "we haven't called any border-line carries the whole game so we're certainly not calling one under 10 seconds in the National Championship game."
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Old Tue Apr 08, 2008, 07:09am
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What happened to letting the players determine the outcome of the game? They let the carry go, big deal. They also let CDR slam the ball to the floor and allowed it to go 15 feet in the air with Hightower staring straight at him. Any other circumstance besides the NC game that's an automatic T. I have no problems with the officiating in the game.
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Old Tue Apr 08, 2008, 09:04am
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What happened to letting the players determine the outcome of the game?
Good grief. I'm not saying whether they should have called the carry or the T, as I didn't see the game. However, from the descriptions of the bounce, I don't understand a T call. It has nothing to do with this coach/fan-speak, "let the players decide the game." What happened to it is it's a stupid concept that high level officials laugh at.
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Old Tue Apr 08, 2008, 12:49pm
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Good grief. I'm not saying whether they should have called the carry or the T, as I didn't see the game. However, from the descriptions of the bounce, I don't understand a T call. It has nothing to do with this coach/fan-speak, "let the players decide the game." What happened to it is it's a stupid concept that high level officials laugh at.
Wow........how could you miss the game? Work, family stuff?
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Old Tue Apr 08, 2008, 09:14am
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What happened to letting the players determine the outcome of the game?
The players do determine the outcome of a game. They commit the violations and fouls. The officials just call those violations and fouls. If they don't call 'em, then they aren't violations or fouls.

"Let the players decide the outcome of the game" is a phrase used by coaches and fanboys. Translated, it means "don't call anything on my team, just my opponents".
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Old Tue Apr 08, 2008, 05:48pm
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The players do determine the outcome of a game. They commit the violations and fouls. The officials just call those violations and fouls. If they don't call 'em, then they aren't violations or fouls.
"Let the players decide the outcome of the game" is a phrase used by coaches and fanboys. Translated, it means "don't call anything on my team, just my opponents".
Amen.

Officials do not make calls that decide the outcome of a game. Players commit fouls and violations; officials view those infractions, judge the action, and then apply the rules of the game to what they had viewed. The rules then determine the penalty. Officials are on the court to be the only unbiased arbiters of the game. Officials are not concerned with who wins or loses, but only fairness and safety. Everyone else in that gym cares about winning, and therefore cannot look at the game objectively.
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Old Tue Apr 08, 2008, 11:46am
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They also let CDR slam the ball to the floor and allowed it to go 15 feet in the air with Hightower staring straight at him. Any other circumstance besides the NC game that's an automatic T.
And why should that be a T? There is no rule in the be about slamming the ball down. However, there is a rule about disrespecting an official or disagreeing with a call. THAT is what slamming the ball down is about, 99.9% of the time. In this specific case, I think KU was called for a foul and Memphis was pumped up and he reacted as such...or it was some other situation...not a disagreement with a call. Could it have been called? It could have....and wouldn't have been "wrong". But, would it have been the right call...probably not what the rules were intended to address. When's the last time you've seen a T called at the end of the game when a player heaves the ball into the air as time is about to expire....not really much different.
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When's the last time you've seen a T called at the end of the game when a player heaves the ball into the air as time is about to expire....not really much different.
What rule has been broken here to even consider calling a technical foul? I believe that a player can throw a live ball into the air as high as he, or she, can without being called for a violation, or a foul.
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Old Tue Apr 08, 2008, 07:22am
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I almost completely flipped out when Packer said that about the 5 sec. count...what really got me mad though was Nance Nantz agreed with him.
Yeah - there's a new development.
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Old Tue Apr 08, 2008, 08:53am
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The best comment was regarding going to OT...something like:

"This Kansas team knows about OT games...It was the 1957 NCAA Championship that they played an OT Game"

SAY WHAT????

I'm not even sure these kids' DADS knew about that game!

Dude is a tool....
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I almost completely flipped out when Packer said that about the 5 sec. count...
Did you guys see that Dickie Vitalis is being inducted into the basketball Hall Of Fame? I can't wait for Billy Pickle-packer to be inducted into the basketball Hall Of Not Knowing The Rules. He would be a founding member.
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Old Tue Apr 08, 2008, 02:50pm
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I almost completely flipped out when Packer said that about the 5 sec. count...what really got me mad though was Nantz agreed with him.
I semi-chuckled to myself...did anybody else hear it this way....

Packer started to say something about the five second count while the ball was rolling, then stopped in mid-sentence. Nantz then chimed in about a possible violation, then Packer spouted off about the five second count....he had paused like he wasn't quite sure, then when Nantz said something, Packer jumped in with his bluster.......
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If he did carry, it was because Rose was fouling him for 3 seconds before the pass to Chalmers. It looked to me like he was purposely fouling to send him to the line for 2 as opposed to a 3 pt. attempt.
socal I think we're talking about different possible carrying violations. I was referring to the crossover in the b\c, I agree that Rose was all over the dribbler in the f\c. Good job by the official to realize that Kansas wasn't disadvantaged by contact and allow the play to develop. I believe Calipari said the plan was to foul but they weren't able to foul before the pass to Chalmers.
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