Call The T

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

In the literal sense, the official is delayed from whatever his next action is...reporting, whatever...while having to fetch a ball that the player spiked. That's part of the game.

In reality, I have to believe the Fed put this rule in to allow officials some latitude in addressing foolish behavior such as this.

If the fed wants this foolish behavior addressed then why not add a rule: technical foul for slamming the ball to the floor during a dead ball.

Seems simple enough.

And if you're gonna T for delay on the play we're talking about... how often have you T'ed a player who walks with the ball back towards his bench during a timeout?

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

If the fed wants this foolish behavior addressed then why not add a rule: technical foul for slamming the ball to the floor during a dead ball.

Seems simple enough.

I like that. Removes any ambiguity...just look how long this thread has gotten discussing it.

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

And if you're gonna T for delay on the play we're talking about... how often have you T'ed a player who walks with the ball back towards his bench during a timeout?

Not yet...7 varsity seasons so far. Can't recall ever having that occur.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Not yet...7 varsity seasons so far. Can't recall ever having that occur.

You've never had a player walk to the bench holding the ball at the start of a timeout? And if he did... you gonna T him up?

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

You've never had a player walk to the bench holding the ball at the start of a timeout? And if he did... you gonna T him up?

None come to mind...seems they just drop it where they're standing or toss it to the nearest official. Can't say how I'd react...if I thought he was intentionally trying to be a turd after asking for the ball, I might think about whacking him.

Truthfully, after all this debate...I may be inclined to think twice. Maybe my idea of sporting behavior is too narrow and idealistic. My philosophy has been once you've made it to the varsity level, act accordingly. Ball slamming is an emotional outburst...I just hate to see it.

[Adam]

Doesn't dropping it where they were standing also fit the definition you gave for the T?

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Doesn't dropping it where they were standing also fit the definition you gave for the T?

I didn't give the definition, the Fed did. I'm just citing the rule I'd apply in this instance. fwiw, I don't view dropping a ball after a whistle the same as slamming it out of frustartion. I think most officials would distiniguish between the two and respond accordingly.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I didn't give the definition, the Fed did. I'm just citing the rule I'd apply in this instance. fwiw, I don't view dropping a ball after a whistle the same as slamming it out of frustartion. I think most officials would distiniguish between the two and respond accordingly.

So, you've decided it should be a T and are finding a rule you can use to justify it.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I didn't give the definition, the Fed did. I'm just citing the rule I'd apply in this instance. fwiw, I don't view dropping a ball after a whistle the same as slamming it out of frustartion. I think most officials would distiniguish between the two and respond accordingly.

Both are equal violations of the rule you cited - in neither instance did the player "immediately pass the ball to the nearer official."

I only continue this discussion to get to my point (which I should have gotten to much earlier ) that in my opinion that rule is to be applied to an intentional act of delay - a time a player intentionally throws the ball away from an official or holds the ball to prevent it from being put back in play.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

fwiw, I don't view dropping a ball after a whistle the same as slamming it out of frustartion.

They are exactly the same if you're considering it to be a failure to pass the ball immediately to an official.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

fwiw, I don't view dropping a ball after a whistle the same as slamming it out of frustartion.

I gotta' admit, that one made me chuckle out loud. It's just so gosh darn cute. In fact, I think it really should be a word.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

I didn't give the definition, the Fed did. I'm just citing the rule I'd apply in this instance. fwiw, I don't view dropping a ball after a whistle the same as slamming it out of frustartion. I think most officials would distiniguish between the two and respond accordingly.

As for the rule you're interested in applying, it makes no distinction between dropping it in place and tossing it somewhere else....if neither is where the official is, this rule applies....if you're going to call it by the letter.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

If the fed wants this foolish behavior addressed then why not add a rule: technical foul for slamming the ball to the floor during a dead ball.

Seems simple enough.

OK. Now distinguish between a soft dribble, a firm dribble, a hard dribble, and a slam. Hmmmm. Another can of worms just popped open.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

OK. Now distinguish between a soft dribble, a firm dribble, a hard dribble, and a slam. Hmmmm. Another can of worms just popped open.

Damn worms. Hate 'em.