Game Over and Correctable Error?

[jgg]

Heh, live and learn, right? I just want to make sure I understand the rules correctly and the NFHS rule book seems a bit ambiguous with regard to end of game. End of game is not specifically addressed in 2-10 correctable errors.

The officials never left the visual confines of the gym. At these tournaments, they are usually doing back to back games so they have a rest area set aside for them somewhere near the court.

The argument for reshooting all 4 free throws was that the free throws were applied in the incorrect order...the technical free throws were shot first followed by the foul shots. Made no sense to me since the same player shot all 4. What difference did it really make?

Thanks for the response!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jgg

The officials never left the visual confines of the gym. At these tournaments, they are usually doing back to back games so they have a rest area set aside for them somewhere near the court.

Once the teams for the next game start warming up, no way in Hell I'm reshooting anything. Since officials aren't leaving the court (common in AAU ball), there has to be an arbitrary cutoff somewhere. I'd say it's when the clock starts ticking down for the next game's warmups. That'll take at least as long as it would normally take me to run off the court post-game.

[truerookie]

[quote=jgg]The argument for reshooting all 4 free throws was that the free throws were applied in the incorrect order...the technical free throws were shot first followed by the foul shots. Made no sense to me since the same player shot all 4. What difference did it really make?


You would really like for the FT's to be shot in the right order. However, if for some reason that does not happen. As long as, the FT's were shot and the right shooter/ team shoots them. The ball will still be put in play at halfcourt because of the technical.

[jgg]

Originally Posted by truerookie

You would really like for the FT's to be shot in the right order. However, if for some reason that does not happen. As long as, the FT's were shot and the right shooter/ team shoots them. The ball will still be put in play at halfcourt because of the technical.

The issue is the same player shot all 4 free throws. IMHO, what should have happened is the first two free throws representing the personal foul should have been disqualified and one point removed.

The second set of free throws, representing the technical, should have been allowed to stand since any player is eligible to shoot those, and they were therefore points scored legally that should stand by NFHS 2-10-5 - "Points scored, consumed time and additional activity, which may occur prior to the recognition of an error, shall not be nullified".

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jgg

IMHO, what should have happened is the first two free throws representing the personal foul should have been disqualified and one point removed.

There is no provision for disqualifying the free throws. If caught in time, the error is corrected. If not, the free throws stand. If the wrong player taking the free throws is ruled to be a deliberate act of deception, a technical foul can be assessed.

[jgg]

Originally Posted by just another ref

There is no provision for disqualifying the free throws. If caught in time, the error is corrected. If not, the free throws stand. If the wrong player taking the free throws is ruled to be a deliberate act of deception, a technical foul can be assessed.

If you correct the error, you are in effect, disqualifying the free throws shot by the incorrect player.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jgg

If you correct the error, you are in effect, disqualifying the free throws shot by the incorrect player.

You cannot disqualify the technical free throws (free throws 3 & 4) b/c they were shot properly. It's free throws 1 & 2 that would be corrected.

[Adam]

One more thing. Shooting free throws in the incorrect order is not a correctable error.

[jgg]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You cannot disqualify the technical free throws (free throws 3 & 4) b/c they were shot properly. It's free throws 1 & 2 that would be corrected.

Yes, agreed, but that's what happened in our game. All 4 free throws were reshot and the last second of the game replayed.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by jgg

If you correct the error, you are in effect, disqualifying the free throws shot by the incorrect player.

OK.....semantics. I thought you were saying that the free throws should simply be thrown out.