the end of the Lakers/W's game

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

that's what I thought. The T could have seen it from the start. I don't believe Fisher for a second

So we are now taking the words of players for rules knowledge or situations that need calling? That just further proves you are a fraud. I do not care what Fisher says, he was run over and something should be called. Fisher did not flop or fake being fouled in any way. You cannot just run over someone and expect nothing to be called.

I can see you will never learn.

Peace

[lpbreeze]

does anyone know the college game I mentioned? It was at the end of the game and they called a block. I think it was the second round. My main point for bringing up the play was that I thought the other two refs could have talked about the call and possibly overturned it but that might not have been the case in this play as Jenkins mentioned. The trail had a good view of it though.

[lpbreeze]

here is a video- warriors announcers. I would like to hear the Lakers guys. Go to the 7 minute mark. and the 8 50 mark. I think the trail official should have stepped in. He saw the play from the start. I'm not going to argue if it was an offensive or defensive foul. Perhaps a double foul. again Veteran move by Fisher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piHxZ...eature=related

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

does anyone know the college game I mentioned? It was at the end of the game and they called a block. I think it was the second round. My main point for bringing up the play was that I thought the other two refs could have talked about the call and possibly overturned it but that might not have been the case in this play as Jenkins mentioned. The trail had a good view of it though.

WOW!!! Are you serious?

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

here is a video- warriors announcers. I would like to hear the Lakers guys. Go to the 7 minute mark. and the 8 50 mark. I think the trail official should have stepped in. He saw the play from the start. I'm not going to argue if it was an offensive or defensive foul. Perhaps a double foul. again Veteran move by Fisher

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piHxZ...eature=related

There's also a push/hold on Davis that wasn't called - that was the first thing I saw when I saw the initial replay.

Looks like a good call, anyway, against Ellis, now that I've watched it again 5 times.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

There's also a push/hold on Davis that wasn't called - that was the first thing I saw when I saw the initial replay.

Looks like a good call, anyway, against Ellis, now that I've watched it again 5 times.

I see nothing that changes my mind on this call. It looked to me like the GS player pushed threw to get where he wanted to go. And it is clear little breeze does not know that the people looking at this play would be the Lead and the Center. The Trail has enough going on and would need help to see the entire play and get it right.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

My main point for bringing up the play was that I thought the other two refs could have talked about the call and possibly overturned it .

Could you explain the thought process behind overturning a partner's foul call?? How do you do that? Have you ever tried to do that? What rule basis did you use for doing that? I would seriously love to read your thinking on this...

[lpbreeze]

I've seen fouls overturned in an NBA game before. I saw a technical against Payton get rescinded because he would have been ejected. A young ref called it. You see blocks turn into charges or the other way around. I overturned a backcourt call my partner made because he made a mistake and we quickly settled it and the coaches were fine with it.
From the replay the refs were talking. I don't know what about and it would have been controversial to overturn it but the official who called the play did not see it from the start. There is another angle that was shown after the game from the baseline and from the start Fisher grabbed Ellis. crafty move

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

You see blocks turn into charges or the other way around. I

That's becuase of the Restricted Area around the basket.

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

I overturned a backcourt call my partner made because he made a mistake and we quickly settled it and the coaches were fine with it.

No....you gave your partner some pertinent and factual information (most likely a tip of the ball by a defender) and he took your information and reversed his own call.


How does one "overturn" a blocking call in a HS/college game? If I call a block you mean my partner can come over and give me information that would change my call? What factual information can a partner give to overturn a blocking call in college/HS ball?

[lpbreeze]

so what was wrong with one of the other refs giving factual information and then the call possibly could have been changed. I've seen fouls changed this year that have nothing to do with the restricted area. From the information Delaney had he thought he was making the correct call and I do not blame him for making it. But he did not have the whole picture. The replay shows that. I simply feel his partners could have stepped in.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

so what was wrong with one of the other refs giving factual information and then the call possibly could have been changed. I've seen fouls changed this year that have nothing to do with the restricted area. From the information Delaney had he thought he was making the correct call and I do not blame him for making it. But he did not have the whole picture. The replay shows that. I simply feel his partners could have stepped in.

I am absolutely sure that you haven't seen a block/charge changed if it wasn't one of these two scenarios:

1. It involved the restricted area under the basket.

2. There was a double-whistle and they got together before giving a preliminary.

Fouls are judgement calls that simply don't get "changed" like that.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

so what was wrong with one of the other refs giving factual information and then the call possibly could have been changed. I've seen fouls changed this year that have nothing to do with the restricted area. From the information Delaney had he thought he was making the correct call and I do not blame him for making it. But he did not have the whole picture. The replay shows that. I simply feel his partners could have stepped in.

You are saying that just because we have a different look that means that our information is "factual."

I am really starting to see why you are getting all the crap that you are. That is completely absurd. And if you do not know why, then that tells me all I need to know about your vast officiating knowledge.

Peace

[lpbreeze]

I'm using the factual part as a response to BadNews post. my example of the backcourt call when I gave information to get the call changed.
The fact on this play is Delaney did not see the whole play. Just look at the replay and defend it. Disagree all you want but I would have loved to see the other refs step in. If the call stands then that is fine but just because someone calls the fouls doesn't mean it can't be changed even at the nba level .

[TonyT]

I refuse to watch that garbage. I always said it was rigged and then when it came out it was I had a big laugh. It should be for entertainment purposes only. The refs should wear rainbow wigs and a red rubber nose because the NBA is a CIRCUS!!!!!!!!

[budjones05]

Show me an official that allows you to change a your block into a charge without a double whistle and i will show you a dumb @$$